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Trying to move up on Yahoo Korea, can a pro make a real difference?

         

altar

1:21 am on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,
I'm trying to move up on Yahoo Korea.
Do you think that hiring a pro can make a real difference?
I have the feeling that Yahoo Korea can't read my "pretty permalinks", or isn't spidering my site, and I'm wondering how I could speed up things a little...

GrendelKhan TSU

6:46 am on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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first things first...

1. is this "pro" in korea?
2. did you register your site with Y korea?

altar

9:13 am on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"1. is this "pro" in korea?"
Well I'm not thinking of someone in particular, but I guess it would make more sense to hire someone here in Korea.
"2. did you register your site with Y korea?"
Not yet because I want to make sure my site site is fully optimized/ready before registering it. I heard that it was hard to correct mistakes.
I've been trying to move up on a main term that has 350k-plus monthly requests on Yahoo.co.kr but things aren't evolving even though I set up "pretty permalinks" nearly 2 weeks ago, but Y isn't showing them yet, the few links he shows are still in the old form (using "php?").
I think a good strategy on smaller terms could bring in traffic but I want to get it right and not mess it up, hence me considering hiring professional help...
What do you guys think?

GrendelKhan TSU

5:16 pm on Dec 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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sorry...extra busy recently...so hard to reply to stuff here in a timely fashion.

"1. is this "pro" in korea?"
Well I'm not thinking of someone in particular, but I guess it would make more sense to hire someone here in Korea.

just checking. hiring a pro who actually isn't actually in the market here is pretty much akin to burning your money, imo.

but be careful, imo, those who would qualify as "pros" here are few and far between...certainly for those that could communicate effectively in English and even more certainly in pertaining to SEO (which still get you a "huh?" look from 99% of the webmasters here). There are few decent korean cafes, but even there you have to dig through to get the real tidbits.

ie: if you do go korea "pro"...choose wisely. if you get the right person..great! but many times I see that people might have been better off learning the ropes yourself trial and error. you just have to be prepared for a bit of a cash base investment for that trial and error period.

unless you want to go "big budget" its a whole different set of rules then.

"2. did you register your site with Y korea?"
Not yet because I want to make sure my site site is fully optimized/ready before registering it. I heard that it was hard to correct mistakes. I've been trying to move up on a main term that has 350k-plus monthly requests on Yahoo.co.kr but things aren't evolving even though I set up "pretty permalinks" nearly 2 weeks ago, but Y isn't showing them yet, the few links he shows are still in the old form (using "php?").
I think a good strategy on smaller terms could bring in traffic but I want to get it right and not mess it up, hence me considering hiring professional help...
What do you guys think?

1. are you just going for Yahoo? yah, its the most SEO friendly considering Google Korea is a non-entity here, but still ... daum and big dog Naver are the way to go. (cyworld as well...but that's a whole different beast.)

2. caveat: assuming things haven't changed with yahoo korea on the backend (which can happen). honesly, I don't look to yahoo that much anymore but as far as I can tell,things haven't changed much....

ie: you can only get so far without registering. Things change quick around here...but as long as portals have the power, it doesn't look that they are removing the old school paid-for register your site system.

and yes. difficult to change your registration and even worse...it gets more point as time goes on. (good news? like just aboout EVERYTHING in korea and even teh "kroean internet"...if you build or have the right relationship with the right person behind the curtain of Oz...everything is "negotiable".) But it is true, that first time you register is key...but less cause of yoru SEO ... more on HOW or what you register (your title description etc) when you do. This can unfortunately come down a lot to the whim of the yahoo..er...yahoo who let's in the door. So, I wouldn't worry toooo much on locking the SEO "backend" down first before registering and maybe even start ramping up on good Daum or Naver campaign.

back on point:
the right pro can be very worthwhile and save ton of time navigating the korean internet ad world... but you should really be thorough with who you select as the first step (namely with yahoo) can be the most important.

ps. if you have the right product / site... have you considered any of the CPA networks here? or PC room agencies?

[edited by: GrendelKhan_TSU at 5:18 pm (utc) on Dec. 11, 2006]

altar

10:00 am on Dec 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yes I'm only focusing on Yahoo.co.kr because 1. the term I'm trying to get up on has 370.000+ monthly queries (according to Overture Korea) so it's big enough to bring high traffic if I can reach first page, and 2. Yahoo.co.kr feels a little more familiar/comprehensible than Naver or Daum. Also I don't have the big bucks required to go after all of them...
More generally, I think my keyword strategy is probably flawed, which is something an SEO pro could probably help me with.

GrendelKhan TSU

10:51 am on Dec 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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1. then go with a local pro who specifically knows yahoo registration process. of course, it depends on the keyword a bit... that'll cost you 200,000won for the registration (no way around that), plus maybe 200,000-300,000 for the help (last I remember). but again, he defienitely has to "know the system".

yah, may sound steep, but considering that if done right, you may just start at page one off the bat (yup, with almost no SEO needed!)... then I think its money well spent.

2. what's wrong with your keyword strategy (in your op)

altar

12:55 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'd pay 4-500,000 wons if it could get me on page 1 on Yahoo! (but where on the page? The "web" section commes after "sponsor links", "bizlinks", "pluslinks", "thema search", "music", "audio-visual", "knowledge", "issue", "blogs and boards" and "categories"! By the way, are "sponsor links" PPC? Like Google's Sponsored Links? )
Concerning my keyword strategy, I'm saying it's flawed because I don't really have a strategy, apart from creating more content around that keyword, but it's not making me move up, my position has been around 60th for nearly 2 months now. (just for info, I rank around 35 on that keyword on Google.co.kr) So I'm wondering, will getting on first for that keyword be impossible and should I refocus on a number of smaller terms?

GrendelKhan TSU

5:16 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'd pay 4-500,000 wons if it could get me on page 1 on Yahoo! (but where on the page? The "web" section commes after "sponsor links", "bizlinks", "pluslinks", "thema search", "music", "audio-visual", "knowledge", "issue", "blogs and boards" and "categories"!

yup...unfortunately...waaay down there for regular seo. which is why I keep saying its pretty hard to justify for the given effort (though you will get a surprizing amount of traffic even there...just again, not worth the effort if that is your main goal.. but fine as nice by-product of other efforts).

but if you do it right at registration you can get in the BIZLINKs area, which IS quite good exposure.

By the way, are "sponsor links" PPC? Like Google's Sponsored Links? )

yes.

Concerning my keyword strategy, I'm saying it's flawed because I don't really have a strategy, apart from creating more content around that keyword, but it's not making me move up, my position has been around 60th for nearly 2 months now. (just for info, I rank around 35 on that keyword on Google.co.kr) So I'm wondering, will getting on first for that keyword be impossible and should I refocus on a number of smaller terms?

no. not impossible. But again, I wonder whether its worth that much effort given the reward. Dont' get me wrong, I'd definitely keep up the seo efforts and content building...but I would only do so as a side-thing not as the main thing.

I'd focus on other promotional strategies as a whole (including PPC to start off) to get going and take at least part of that time to start learning to navigate the mysteries of the other homegrown portals. knowledge search posting techniques, using naver blog, or daum cafes, setting up a cyworld and doing tottorri events etc.

and yes, yahoo is more palapable for international eyes, but naver is naver. even first page on google really won't get you anything here but braggin rights on WebmasterWorld ^^ . it might one day....

but not today. ;)

altar

4:58 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It's really weird, why am I no1 on 요번겨울패션 but not even listed for 겨울패션?
It's getting on my nerves...

altar

1:25 am on Dec 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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oops, ok encoding pb...
I meant I'm no1 on "this winter's fashion" in Korean, but not even listed for "winter fashion"...

GrendelKhan TSU

8:45 am on Dec 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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makes sense in a way. wish I could see the exact korean, though I can guess at the translation... (is that a WebmasterWorld issue?)

the nature of the language is that such "minor" words aren't necessarily minor in Korean. "this". certainly not from a search engine spiders perceptive. I wonder... Yahoo Korea spider USED to be run via a local company, but then it got switched back to the corporate designated one....

and who knows how good that is for Korean (I thought that was a big mistake at the time). maybe its bad at filtering out such "minor" article type words. SEO has always been a bit mysterious... and even more so in Korea.

I still what you got is probably good enough and you should just with a pro who know the yahoo korea "SEO registration" technique.

then go from there.