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Alexa rankings keep on going up?

What's going one with them

         

Compworld

6:06 am on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I had steadily increased advertising and traffic to our site, but Alexa keeps on going up instead of down. Yet, my main competitors are going down than up. Am I missing something here?

CompWorld

Macro

11:50 am on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Am I missing something here

Yes... that Alexa is almost irrelevant ;-)

The wayback archive is broken, the related sites are anything but, the feedback they feature is often self-posted, and the rankings are so easily manipulated that they are almost irrelevant.

Get a couple of cheap PCs, visit your site 3 times a day with each of your PCs. You can go from 500K to under 20K in a week.

BobK

1:09 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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RE:"Get a couple of cheap PCs, visit your site 3 times a day with each of your PCs. You can go from 500K to under 20K in a week"

This may be urban legend, but somebody once commented that the visits only count if they occur via the Alexa toolbar.

In any event, something like that proposed above happened to my site. I provide an evaluation copy of my software product there. Hackers posted a registration key for the product on several "crack" sites in China and elsewhere. My website got bombed with traffic for a week or so.

As a result, my Alexa position went from >300K to <100K and has since slowly drifted back to its old position.

Macro

2:34 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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if they occur via the Alexa toolbar

That's taken as assumed. Without the Alexa toolbar installed Alexa wouldn't know that you've been to that site.

Miop

3:00 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I used to think my site was going down till I realised that the number was in reverse order <blush>:)

Receptional

3:04 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)



Also, Your competitor ranking is going down (nearer to #1) because previously nobody using Alexa looked at their sites, but now YOU do, so they suddenly jump.

You are affecting your own tracking I am afraid.

Hitwise is more accurate - just costs ten grand a year :-D

Dixon.

Compworld

7:47 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ah, IC. I had thought that the toolbar had something to do with it. Just strange that they still offer the service when it is so flawed.

CompWorld

rogerd

8:20 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Alexa is like any other poll - as the sample size increases, so does its accuracy. The two things that will make results dicey are small sample sizes and dissimilar sample populations.

Small sample sizes are problematic because they are influenced by individual behavior. If the site owner and two employees install the toolbar and surf daily, the site rankings may see a big bump. This isn't as much of a problem for very high traffic sites.

Dissimilar sample populations affect results if the two groups install the Alexa toolbar at significantly different rates. A site geared to webmasters, for example, might see more Alexa toolbars installed than a site for elementary school teachers.

In short, I think Alexa is probably not a bad tool if you are comparing NBA.com and NFL.com, or CNN.com and ABCNews.com. For low volume sites, though, it's not particularly meaningful.

quotations

8:31 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>You are affecting your own tracking I am afraid.

Thank you Dr. Heisenberg.

figment88

8:39 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think rogerd did a good job of detailing the major problems with Alexa.

As extension, though, it should be pointed out that even when comparing popular sites only the reach number has any meaning.

When Alexa computes the overall ranking they combine reach (unique visitors) with unique pageviews (at about a 2/3 to 1/3 ratio). So if NBA.com and NFL.com get the same number of visitors but one has a lot lower usability requiring users to load many more pages to get the same detail of information, the lower usability site will show a much lower Alexa rating.

Putting pageviews into the rankings is one of the reasons forum sites get such low rankings.

b_ter

4:43 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)



Hi all, been trying to get an idea if Alexa is really useful for proper site analysis - and so far I guess not?

Some questions though:
1)Is it true to reason Alexa works the way it works is because it is assumed that “link patterns” reflect “user patterns” on the www? (or at least largely reflects it)

Or is there some other reason(s) it works the way it does?

2)If yes to (1), how can Alexa claim that its rankings are accurate between rank 1 to 100,000 because you simply do not have access to various web logs / reports from webstats software like Webtrends which really can show actual user behaviour?

(Note: I have read Alexa’s disclaimers about how rankings above 100,000 can be considered distorted due to a variety of factors)

Still boggled - and Happy New Year!
b_ter

rogerd

5:33 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld, b_ter! Congrats on being one of the last 2003 members...

I think Alexa is being a wee bit optimistic if they claim accuracy even below 100K rankings.

Alexa actually has a good record of user behavior - but only for those users that have the toolbar installed. They have to extrapolate for everyone else. The smaller the sample, the riskier extrapolation is.

Links don't affect Alexa rankings or traffic numbers.

sidyadav

9:44 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't beleive this - To view Alexa's top 10,000 sites [pages.alexa.com] , you gotta pay $1000! I whould rather get a new computer or buy a copy of SUSE and XP or advertise in all major PPCs for all high keywords and get more than 20,000 uniques a day or get a new TV or invest it into something good unlike Alexa's Crazyness.

Sid