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About a year ago I got a dedicated IP for one site and my host told me that it needed to be "justified" or I might not be able to get one. I was getting a secure cert so that seemed to be reason enough although it took over 6 weeks to get it.
I have another host that can get me a dedicated IP within a few hours no questions asked.
Today I asked still another of my hosts about getting a dedicated Ip and he said to get one the IP needs to be justified.
What is all of this "justified" business? Is there a list of reasons why you can have one and a list of reasons why you cannot?
I understand that there is a finite number of IPs available with the current system. Is ARIN just trying to make sure that they are not hoarded or something?
It's odd that one of my hosts just seems to be able to get them at will but the others seem to have to jump through hoops.
Do you really need a dedicated IP? What for? It is considered a valid and acceptable question at this point in time. Once the new ip address upgrades/updates/etc take effect however this question will be invalidated until once again we find ourselves fighting over a mere few trillion numbers.
Step in line and take a number! Err, just stand in line...
Current IP standards are known as IPv4 and are formatted:
#*$!.xxx.xxx.xxx with 4+ billion addresses available..(one current work around is the proxy server, which can interface with a single IP number to serve thousands of domains/internal IP numbers from the 192.000.000.000 range)
The next IP standard, called IPv6 is formatted like this:
xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx and offers such a huge quantity of IP numbers that is stated like this:
2128 ... which roughly translates into a quantity in the trillion-trillion of IP numbers available in the IPv6 version..(this version is already out there operating...and will go live officially in 2008 ... but it is completely backwards compatible to IPv4...in fact many of the new Linux distro allows you to set up a server and commmunicate with this network....
The IPv6 will be a major driving factor way out into the distant future...as every conceivable device can have it's own IP number (think RFID tags!)...
SO currently the ISP providers are working to protect the current IP number availability list and many are working to make sure that the remaining numbers they steward are used within some reasonably justifiable way.....
10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255
169.254.0.0 -169.254.255.255 * (strictly speaking these are automatic Private addresses)
172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255
192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255
It's easy to find hosters that offer dedicated IP addresses on all their sites, you just have to look. When a hoster responds in this way, what they are telling you is that you shouldn't be using them. There's no reason to ask more questions at that point as far as I'm concerned.
On quality hosters, a dedicated IP address usually costs around $1 per month per IP address. That's shared hosting or dedicated servers, doesn't matter.
The reason cheap hosters don't offer dedicated IPs is very simple, they cost a little bit of money. Not a lot, but when you're only charging some ridiculously low fee for monthly hosting, you have to cut corners everywhere you can to make a profit.
The rest I 000'd out to protect the IP number from snoops...though you wouldn't be able to see it anyway...it's behind a proxy based firewall..and your IP number would need to be included in the IPTABLES list to be able to access the site...
but
192.168.000.000 is a private range inside an intranet or corporate type network...or an internal set of sites sitting behind a public IP number...
" Hosts often say this when you ask for a dedicated IP. Why?"It's easy to find hosters that offer dedicated IP addresses on all their sites, you just have to look. When a hoster responds in this way, what they are telling you is that you shouldn't be using them. There's no reason to ask more questions at that point as far as I'm concerned.
That is my reaction too.
I agree that cheap hosts cut corners though I've never had the need for an ip for my domain. Mind if I ask why you or one would need an ip? I'd prefer to know in advance! ;)
Mind if I ask why you or one would need an ip?
Mind if I ask why you or one would need an ip?one reason = manipulation of search engine ( if they are using "link voting" )results page placing..;-)
Not even sure what that means, but it sounds like something I should look into ;-p
If there is a choice between having a dedicated IP and not having one, which there is, I'd rather have one.
You can access your site through IP, you can set it up before the domain goes live through the IP, you aren't sharing your IP, it's all positives as far as I'm concerned. The only positive I know of with using shared, virtual name based hosting stuff is being able to get really bad hosting, the $3 a month kind.
I never ask 'why should I have a dedicated IP", I ask why would I not have one when it only costs me $1 per site?
You then establish a solid reputation, ovetime, with both your user base and just as important the search bots (as they historically see your site established with the same IP number)...as long as you don't get desparate and try some silly tactics that get you banned...then you are back to square one)
The idea is to become established in your sector in the competitive mix and then build a reputation for excellent products, services, customer service and you will become successfull....
IF you are looking to game the engines with a series of dedicated IP's spread out over many different Class C's ... with multiple spammy sites and domains just to ramp up Adsense revenue...then what I have to say about that is...
