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Anyone still using Times New Roman?

should I use it?

         

walkman

4:11 am on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)



I'm changing my site's design and right now it's in Times New Roman since I haven't finalized it yet. I kinda like it. Maybe because it' different these days, 99% of my bookmarked sites use arial or verdana.

should I go with the classic look? On my site it will not be a lot of reading, mostly paragraphs of 2-4 sentences. The paragraphs are divided by other things too so it breaks the monotony.

monkeythumpa

4:31 am on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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[psychology.wichita.edu...]

Recap if you don't want to read the whole article:

Times New Roman is easier to read but people prefer to read Verdana. So if you want people to understand your site use Times (Tahoma is even better). But if you want people to like your site, use Verdana.

PS. Comic sans came as the third preference . . . It seems there is no accounting for taste.

walkman

5:42 am on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)



Thank you! Will read and see what's the difference.

choster

7:11 am on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Andy Hume makes the case for styling Times New Roman to make it more attractive: [usabletype.com...]

keyplyr

7:39 am on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think times new roman looks good for <H> tags, but find it way too strenuous for normal reading (without styling.)

rocknbil

5:44 pm on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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^^ Funny you would say that. :-)

I come from a graphic design and printing industry background before the age of the Internet and one of my first questions was "what's the deal with serif type?" Serifs are **supposed** to actually increase legibility by forming a line along the baseline that the eye follows. Don't know if I agree, but that's the answer if ever asked on some test somewhere . . . hehe . . .

To answer the Q, T.N.R. has actually been requested by a few customers, and I often throw it in because I'm just plain sick of the sans-serif families. (High tech research, huh?:-) )

iamlost

9:21 pm on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have always used T-N-R as my prime content font. It is my belief (my drummer is always beating a unique cadence) that serif, being closer to script, produces a more personal feel than sans-serif (which I use for headings and navigation and other boringly "un"personal stuff).

Since discovering CSS I have never used a font without css styling. The different OSs and browsers make it the best clarity control at a web designers disposal.

And what is design without style?

tbear

10:22 pm on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Times New Roman is easier to read but...

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, I don't think things are so clear cut.
From what I have read over the years, serif fonts can suffer on a computer monitor (resolution issues) whereas sin-serif don't have those same problems. Printed matter is a different story, but then we know the mediums are quite different, most users are happier to print stuff out to read but scan important bits from web pages.
It would be interesting to test response from your own web users...
Looking at 3 of the most visited web sites around, MSN, Google and Yahoo, you will find they use sin-serif fonts, I assume they have good reason (more cash for research), but of course, you can never be 100% sure ;)
Just my euro worth ;)

monkeythumpa

11:19 pm on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The usability study came up with that conclusion, it is not mine. Check out the time it took people to read the same passages in different fonts. The winner (a sans serif font) and loser (an "ornate" font) differ by 40 seconds out of about 5 minutes.

There have been a lot of rumours floating around about the serifs rendering on 72/96 dpi monitors but I think the rejection of serifed fonts comes more from a desire to seperate online publications from old offline rags. People online want something different, modern and that is why I think people prefer a serif font online. From what I have read, serifs help keep the eye moving from letter to letter and enhance readability and comprehension and I have only run into a few rare exceptions to why that would be different online.

encyclo

2:11 am on Feb 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Times New Roman is a good standard font, in very widespread use, which looks good and is quite legible. Personally, I would be careful with font sizes (I find 100% ideal and wouldn't want to change that for general use), and make sure you have adequate white space both vertically (line-height of 1.5 should do it) and horizontally (up to a 3 or 4em margin, perhaps).

I have a suggestion: use it, but don't force the issue. I'll better clarify that: most machines have Times New Roman set as the system default, and very few users override that default - not least because most websites already do so.

So, I would ensure that you do not specify any font-family at all for your site paragraph text. That way, most users will get Times New Roman, and the few who are rabidly opposed to it will get their alternative default.

There are a few sites which use this method, the most obvious one I know is Slashdot.

dillonstars

10:51 am on Feb 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Andy Hume makes the case for styling Times New Roman to make it more attractive: [usabletype.com...]

Thanks very much for that very useful article. I use line spacing quite regularly, but the effect of the other modifiers is much more noticable that i would have expected.

Most of my readers use IE though, so the more subtle effects will be lost on them....

katana_one

1:28 pm on Feb 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I tend to try and get the best of both worlds.

My screen style sheets typically sans-serif fonts, while my print style sheets use Times New Roman. Same content, two different mediums.

tbear

9:09 pm on Feb 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The winner (a sans serif font) and loser (an "ornate" font) differ by 40 seconds out of about 5 minutes.

Exactly, I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood you, since Times New Roman is a 'Serif' font and a 'sans serif' font was the winner, i.e. not TNR.
Both Verdana and Arial came out with faster reading times than TNR.
Verdana had a better percieved font legibility than TNR with Arial coming in a very close third.
Both Arial and Verdana conveyed more personality than TNR.
Both Verdana and Arial outranked TNR as far as 'font preferrence' is concerned (and I quote)....
It is interesting, however, that Times, the most popular default font for word processing packages, has consistently ranked low in preference across all of our studies.

For my money Katana_one has the right idea......

If you specify a 'sans serif' font you will get the default sans serif, which may or may not be Arial, when you don't specify the serif state of your font your default may well be TNR, but there is always the odd chance that it may not be. Probably best to specify, 'serif' or 'sans serif', or give your preferrence plus the default to fall back on.

It might be worth mentioning that, I have no personal interest or preferrence for any font, just a sad interest in reading survey results (albeit old ones) clearly. That particular survey report I did read 4 years ago.
I guess the font you choose should be the best percieved one for the job in hand. Kind of like 'Horses for courses'
Just a couple more euros worth......;)