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Pair vs Westhost?

         

gopi

3:01 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Our current Webhost siteturn sucks and i am planning to move to a new one soon.I am looking for a unix host with static ip , downloadable referral logs , quick/quality tech support, good uptime and bandwidth should be scalable. Cost can be around $50/month.

I searched this forum and also google groups.My shortlists are pair , westhost , datapipe and remarkablehosting.com. I can see everybody are happy with pair and westhost.

So here is the million dollar question. What to choose between pair and westhost ?. Also please give me some hosts which are reliable and friendly than this two.

gopi

2:40 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Please shed your ideas ...

startup

3:09 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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gopi, welcome to WebmasterWorld.
$50.00 a month is actually alot of money for most hosting packages. Can you let us know how much bandwidth you are going to need? I don't use either of the hosts you have mentioned but, I do know they are recommended alot.

Mardi_Gras

3:32 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Westhost hosts this forum - seems to work pretty well :)

I recently added a site with them for that reason. It went down the first day (but that was apparently a DNS configuration problem that has been resolved). Other than that, no problems. Quick response from tech support on a couple of issues.

If you do choose Westhost, be sure to give Brett referral credit.

startup

3:51 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Mardi_Gras,
I am sure Westhost is very good and I have a site on the harddrive that is almost finished, that will go to them. But, I know I will not be paying $50.00 a month. I am very curious why "gopi" has budgetted this amount. You and I both know it is high.

bird

3:59 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It seems that both pair and westhost are similarly competent, as you already figured on your own. This forum here is hosted with westhost, while many members (including myself) are very happy with pair.

In terms of technical infrastructure, westhost seems somewhat reluctant to spill too many details on their site, which makes a truly exact comparison difficult. Here's what I could figure out:


  • Pair is almost twice as old as westhost, and hosts about ten times as many domains (fwiw...).
  • Pair currently has about three times the raw bandwidth, and many times the redundancy using 8 different backbone providers, through 2 different telcos. This setup has shown its strength earlier this year, when one of those telcos suffered a fiber cut that eliminated half of pairs connectivity. This resulted in slower access for some sites, but most of them could be rached fine over the remaining four backbone connections. Over the last few weeks, there have been several times where I was unable to reach WebmasterWorld. I don't know if this was due to general network congestion, or problems on westhosts side (maybe Brett knows more).
  • Westhost explicitly supports RealAudio/Video.
  • Westhost supports ASP (on Linux servers, none the less!).
  • Westhost tends to offer more bandwidth for the same price, and pair more disk space.
  • Pair has offered dedicated servers for a long time, westhost is just about to do that.
  • Pair is an ICANN accredited domain registrar.
  • Westhost offers web-based e-mail (coming soon with pair).
  • Westhost uses Linux, pair uses FreeBSD.
  • Westhost is located in Utah (not as far west as I expected with that name ;)), pair is located in Pennsylvania.

If none of those points makes or breaks it for you, you'll probably have to toss a coin...

gopi

4:43 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Bird , thanks for that nice summary of pair and westhost.

Startup , I meant to say that $50/month is my limit currently. I went for my present host siteturn mainly because of their attractive price($19/month) which gives a static ip ,500 mb of disk space and unlimited hits ( ??)

But i have nothing but bad experience with them . Their tech support is pathetic and will return your mails with a cut and paste response. I am a experienced unix admin and even if i try to help them they will not understand. I now believe a hosting company should have a nice margin to remain stable and also to hire good tech support people.

So now i decided not to sacrifice support , stability for price .For me hosting is the only cost and there is no paid advertisement as google is good to me (thanks mainly to this forrum !)

Mardi_Gras , I will sure give credit to Brett whatever host i choose. I strongly feel that he is doing a great favour for all of us without much return.

By the By , I am still confused about pair and westhost :)

toolman

4:51 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Pair hands down the winner between the 2. No doubt about it. OTOH Datapipe is one of the best ops for tech support. I have never waited more than a minute to talk to the tech guy who is going to fix the problem, no "we'll have to escalate this ticket sir" garbage.

gopi

5:03 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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" Westhost uses Linux, pair uses FreeBSD "

As a Unix Guy i believe FreeBSD is more stable and its network performance is slightly better than Linux.

So Pair beats Westhost in this regards...

gopi

1:56 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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More Suggestions ???

bobriggs

4:37 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This might not be a concern to you, but you did ask. I haven't used westhost, but I did check out their control panel and the email services offered. One thing that I have on pair that I use a lot but I could not find it configured in the westhost CP is an email pipe.

You can configure incoming email to a specific address to also be piped to a program that you've written, in my case a perl script. Certain emails come in from a lot of different places and I can scan the headers and (sometimes these are form fields) other fields in the mail. From there I can give a customized autoresponse (not like the normal autoresponders). You can come up with a lot of ideas for this kind of thing.

As far as pair's customer support, I've only had to use it one time, and I was very pleased. Quick response time, and a personal email back to me stating that the problem had been fixed.

More Suggestions ???

Are you looking for more hosts, or more comparisons between the ones you've narrowed?

brotherhood of LAN

5:00 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I signed up with westhost because Brett's there and the system had never been down. I signed up to get into the apache/php/sql scenario having been stuck with one site using the "other".

Was just flicking through some westhost pages for some unanswered question, and a java box popped out of nowhere. Seems Westhost are playing around with live support - so i asked the questions......pretty sweet because they didn't have the info i needed on the site.

He/She was a little slow.....but on westhost:
1) You can parse .htm files through PHP but not ASP file extensions (looks like I'll need to figure out mod_rewrite)
2) I can get cURL if I ask for it when I sign up
2b) They are just toying with the idea of live support :)

Not bad- it added a brownie point to their account from my perspective as a customer.

Chris_R

5:03 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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prohosters
isprime

have used both - and both have good prices and support.

oilman

8:00 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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pair - hands down best host I've ever dealt with.

Mardi_Gras

8:24 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have discovered that Westhost only allows MySQL access through telnet - Pair apparently offers telnet as well as a control panel for MySQL access. Control panel seems much more convenient. I'm actually getting ready to put another site up and think I might try Pair.

bcc1234

12:33 pm on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Do any of those two hosting companies offer full root access to dedicated boxes ?
I would like to get a box and install everything myself.

bird

1:52 pm on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't think that any security aware hoster will give you root access. If you want this, then you need a colocation service (rent the rackspace but bring your own box), which is a very different business model. Note that you can install pretty much anything on a pair box already (dunno about westhost), and even more so on a dedicated server. Most software that you'll need (besides the httpd itself) doesn't really need root priveledges, after all.

gopi

2:46 pm on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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After confusing myself a lot i decided to go with the majority and ordered Pair Networks Webmaster account yesterday. Got my confirmation mail this morning. I promise to give my feedback after 6 months.

Also i mentioned webmasterworld and Brett in the comments field on their signup page. Not sure how this will help , but i think brett can cut an affiliate deal with pair and westhost and request the users to refer webmasterworld. This is not gonna make a lot of money , but hey , ANY MONEY IS GOOD MONEY :) ...

bcc1234

4:18 pm on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't think that any security aware hoster will give you root access. If you want this, then you need a colocation service (rent the rackspace but bring your own box), which is a very different business model. Note that you can install pretty much anything on a pair box already (dunno about westhost), and even more so on a dedicated server. Most software that you'll need (besides the httpd itself) doesn't really need root priveledges, after all.

Well, actually I rent a rack in the datacenter with a few boxes of my own and have a dedicated box with a root access in another location.

I'm about to get rid of most of my clients and get rid of the rack.
Just going to get a few dedicated boxes. But the current host where I'm renting the box sucks so I'm looking for something else.

So if anyone knows of a good host that rents out boxes - please let me know.