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get paid for installs of adware/spyware

do any of you do it?

         

StuntasticAudi

2:33 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Another webmaster i know suggested to me that i could make much more money if i signed up with an adware/spyware company and have activex downloads on my site. Has anyone tried it? Is this something i should try?

moishe

3:01 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Any adware/spyware program of the type you are describing is, most likely, a form of adware or spyware itself.

I have dealt with spyware, adware, scumware, malware and whatever else you want to call it, in many ways shapes and forms and while there are a few, free, very good cleaners on the market such as Adaware and Spybot S&D, I have found that most out there, while doing some cleaning, end up leaving malicious code of their own on your PC.

StuntasticAudi

3:30 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm not worried about that. I work for a well known anti-spyware company so i can remove pretty much any spyware thats out there. There are only couple really nasty ones that are really hard to remove. I know spyware is bad and i'm not a big fan of it but they do pay really good if you distribute it. So i was thinking about putting activex on some of my sites that will download it. I would get pay per install.

pageoneresults

3:41 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I know spyware is bad and i'm not a big fan of it but they do pay really good if you distribute it.

Isn't that like saying...

I know what I'm doing is not right, but they do pay really good if you distribute it.

There are only one or two AdWare/SpyWare programs that I would use. Everything else is mostly junk and is responsible for the downloading of spyware while downloading the program to prevent spyware.

It is definitely a risky business proposition if you don't do your homework on the software/programs you are promoting.

txbakers

4:27 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I know spyware is bad and i'm not a big fan of it but they do pay really good if you distribute it.

So is dealing drugs, and being a hitman.

So is insider trading.

it's your karma.

there are lots of ethical ways to make money too.

wrgvt

4:33 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Would you be upset if someone stole your AdSense check before it arrived in the mail? I mean, if you're going to act immorally or unethically and succumb to greed, can you complain about others that do?

Easy_Coder

5:47 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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StuntasticAudi, that's just evil... do something positive with your career.

>>Location: Florida

BTW... in the state of Florida you will be committing a felony by installing certain types of spyware.

JollyK

5:58 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Are you using AdSense or YPN ads? I think auto-downloads are against the AdSense TOS, so you'd have to remove it from those pages, maybe even the whole site...

JK

walkman

6:31 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)



>> I know spyware is bad and i'm not a big fan of it but they do pay really good if you distribute it. So i was thinking about putting activex on some of my sites that will download it. I would get pay per install.

you should sell drugs; you make more money. Sure they're illegal too, in addition to being bad, but the pay is great. Or k-dd-e pron, or....

Matt Probert

7:46 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone tried it? Is this something i should try?

We actively do not do this since our readers don't like it, and it impacts upon our site's credibility and popularity.

Matt

StuntasticAudi

8:23 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I wouldnt have it on the same pages as my adsense. It would probably be on a completly different site. Nothing in the Adsense TOS says you are not allowed to have websites that install spyware. It only says it cant be on the same page as adsense, so if i have a completly diff page i should be fine.

pageoneresults

8:36 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Nothing in the Adsense TOS says you are not allowed to have websites that install spyware.

Wait! Are you referring to programs that detect Spyware? Or, are you referring to actual Spyware programs? If the latter, I do believe your credibility may be on the line here. :(

Easy_Coder

8:43 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Or, are you referring to actual Spyware programs?

pageone, audi is talking about having his/her site install adware & spyware for which payment will be received for each installation.

StuntasticAudi

8:46 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A visitor comes to the site, he gets an activex popup saying do you want to install blah blah blah...nothing is being hidden? It wont be installing spyware illegally or anything like that. Each viewer will have a pop up window asking if they want to install or not. If they do they are probably installing adware. I dont want to give out the name of the company that has this affiliate program but thats how they pay. They pay per install...just like google pays up to $1 for firefox install.

I am not doing this yet so please dont shoot me yet but i was just asking if anyone has done it. I understand that spyware/adware is bad and we all hate them annoying popups. But me personally working for an antispyware company i can get rid of any spyware i want from my own machine so i'm not worried about getting it on my machine. So any visitor will be asked if they want to install or not. It is their choice!

This will NOT be on any sites that have adsense.

pageoneresults

8:58 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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But me personally working for an antispyware company i can get rid of any spyware i want from my own machine so i'm not worried about getting it on my machine.

[6]YOU'RE FIRED![/6]

StuntasticAudi

9:12 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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lol yea i know seriously...i feel like i'm a trader, work for an antispyware company but distribute spyware on my personal sites...

jomaxx

10:52 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Don't even consider this. Have you ever had spyware on your computer? You're sentencing people who come to your site to hours of pain and annoyance just so you can make a few pennies. This is worse than porn, worse than spam, because it's potentially so dangerous. Seriously this business model is for true lowlifes only.

pageoneresults

10:58 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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But wait, StuntasticAudi works for an Anti-Spyware company. Go figure...

zCat

11:16 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Anyone know if the major anti-virus companies run PPI ("pay per infection") affiliate programs?

jdMorgan

11:23 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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And this is the second thread on the subject, too. The other one is here [webmasterworld.com].

I hope you'll consider the big picture, friend, and think of hundreds or thousands of hapless visitors whose machines you will burden with applications that run constantly, using up CPU and internet bandwidth. Just because they're too trusting or intellectually-challenged to read the fine print, they don't deserve to be victimized.

And what of the code that your site installs: How will you be sure that it won't actually damage your visitors' computers, or be changed at some time in the future so that it does, intentionally or unintentionally? If your site installs software on one of my machines and it does actual damage, and this damage is not clearly described in your 'popup,' you'll be getting some very expensive phone calls from my representatives.

Oh, and then there are those 'block list' nice sites that list sites hosting malware by domain name and IP, so that sysadmins can simply block any and all access to those sites -- it being cheaper to do that than to spend weeks ridding a corporation of a malware infestation. It's far easier to just accept the whole list than to research it, too, so if you later decide to clean up your site(s), it (they) will probably remain listed for months or years, along with any other sites you have registered.

So, it's a violation of your site visitors' trust, it might result in actual damage to their computers, and if the fine print is too fine, then you're liable. You risk getting your sites blocked from large swaths of the 'net, getting kicked out of various PPC and afilliate programs, and then let's add to that that it's just plain wrong to abuse people's trust. If you can sleep at night knowing all that, and knowing that your knowledge and talent could have been much more profitably better applied, then go ahead. Me, I'll be keeping an eye out for your sites to start popping up in the block lists so that I can firewall them from my networks... What a waste of talent. :(

Short answer, it's immoral, and depending on where you live, illegal. Find something else to do.

Jim

LifeinAsia

11:40 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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StuntasticAudi works for an Anti-Spyware company. Go figure...

And his next page is a "Have you recently been infected with Spyware? Click this link!" with an affiliate link to the company he works for! ;)

StuntasticAudi

3:56 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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And his next page is a "Have you recently been infected with Spyware? Click this link!" with an affiliate link to the company he works for! ;)

Exactly thats a great plan...jk.
Well hey guys i havent done anything yet i was just asking for everyone's opinion. It was just an opportunity that was showed to me but i dont think i'm going to do it.

jessejump

8:27 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've always wondered who does stuff like this and spam and bogus ads etc. They all know better, but the money is good. It's ordinary people around you.

jomaxx

8:42 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I doubt very much the money is good. You always seem to find spyware on the lowest-of-the-low sites that legitimate sponsors won't touch.

Seems like you'd have to hope that the sponsor's install stats are correct, hope that they are still in business and ethical enough to pay you when it's time, and hope that if they run into legal hassles that you don't get named as a co-conspirator.