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pmkpmk

4:30 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I like Firefox. I really do. One of its main advantages is the extensibility via plugins. For almost any task I ever wanted, there is an extension for Firefox. OK sometimes it's a bit over the top to have 4 or more toolbars, but - hey - you can even tweak them and add or remove buttons!

But what gets me enraged everytime is: the extensions!

Don't ask me why, but certain combinations of extensions block themselves, lock themselves, even lock the whole Firefox UI. If you have something in the range of 10 extensions, chances are good that two are interlocking themselves. Sometimes the full functionality vanishes, sometimes only partial functionality.

One of my most needed extension is called "Synchronize Bookmarks". Normally, it downloads a bookmark file from an FTP server on startup, and uploads it upon exit. Thus, I can synchronize my bookmarks among 3 Firefox installations (home, office, laptop). BUT every once in a while, a (new) extension blocks partial functionality. Sometimes it doesn't work automatic but only in manual mode, sometimes the upload-on-exit is blocked. Then the "Web Developer Toolbar" - a new update was announced today. And after I installed it, Firefox locked up completely until I unistalled the WebDev AND a few other extensions.

OK, Mozilla does a gret job with the extension repository. But have you EVER tried to contact something "Mozilla official"? I KNOW they don't support 3rd party extensions, but they should at least know (or maintain) some forums etc.? But finding a contact address is even harder than sending an email to eBay or Amazon! No mail addresses listed, and those few you find have big "Do Not send Bug Reports" labels next to it.

It's hard to believe that I am the ONLY person experiencing extension-interlocks. But a Google search reveals almost nothing, AND I'm browsing mozilla.org up and down and find nothing.

What's wrong?

MatthewHSE

5:22 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I normally have over 30 extensions at any given time and have only once come across a comflict. However, I realize such things happen. My guess would be that the ones with their own toolbars are the main problems (which is why the only extra toolbar I use is WebDev) but I don't know for sure.

I don't have any answer for you, but this does come back to what I've been saying for awhile now. Mozilla needs to choose a small set of extensions that will supply the vast majority of extension-related needs, exercising very strict quality control over these extensions. I think it's safe to say this list could be down around five or ten total extensions and would meet at least 90% of the needs of users - and incompatibility problems would be much less common.

Sorry I couldn't be more help - could you post a list of all the extensions you're using?

pmkpmk

8:36 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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but this does come back to what I've been saying for awhile now
Too true, but where does one voice such opinions? My impression is that the FF-(developer-)community is full of - sorry - geeks. And while being geeky to a certain extent myself, I have the impression that stability and real-world useability is not their foremost priority...

could you post a list of all the extensions you're using?

Umm... I uninstalled quite a few already. Let's see - those are the ones still installed:

  • Add Bookmark Here
  • Amazing Media Browser
  • Bookmarks Synchronizer
  • ChromEdit
  • CustomizeGoogle (GREAT extension btw.)
  • FirefoxView (loads current IE page in FF)
  • Flat Bookmark Editing
  • Gmail Notifier
  • Google Toolbar
  • IE View
  • Resizeable Textarea
  • SearchStatus (SEO plugin with Alexa Rank)
  • Single Window

    And those are the ones uninstalled in the meantime:

  • Download Manager Tweak
  • Fasterfox
  • MrTech Local Install (kind of on Uber-extension with lots of functions)
  • SEOpen (yet another SEO extension)
  • SortExtensions
  • Spoof Referrer
  • Switch User Agent
  • Switch Proxy
  • Tweak Network Settings
  • Web Developer Toolbar
  • Yahoo toolbar

    And on my office PC (yet to be synchronized):

  • Adsense Notifier
  • ColorZilla
  • MeasureIt

    Only the first list is complete - the other two lists are from memory. I might have forget one or two...

  • asquithea

    9:18 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Too true, but where does one voice such opinions?

    Mozillazine Forums [forums.mozillazine.org] are a good place to ask for help with Firefox and its themes and extensions. You also can request features and discuss possible bugs there. Do bear in mind that most of the forum members are just ordinary users, but some of the developers, extension authors and theme designers hang out there too.

    The MZ forums are also very good for sorting out Gecko-specific problems with your website -- there's no issue with posting URLs, as there is here.

    As with most support forums, bear in mind that comments that don't invite constructive replies aren't welcome.

    [edited by: asquithea at 9:25 pm (utc) on Jan. 2, 2006]

    pmkpmk

    9:24 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    thx - I'll give it a try

    MatthewHSE

    9:45 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Since you mention "Single Window," I'm guessing you're either not on Firefox 1.5, or you started on a previous version and haven't created a new profile. Unfortunately, that's still best practice in my book, and is likely to be so at least until version 2.0. (Although issues with overinstalling and old profiles are diminishing rapidly.)

    If you're not running 1.5, I suggest you go download it, install to a new location, create a new profile, and reinstall your extensions, cutting out any that you've found you don't actually use. If you are running 1.5 but haven't created a new profile for a few versions, give that a try. It really doesn't take long and performance is much better. (Be sure you know how to keep your bookmarks, etc.)

    Too true, but where does one voice such opinions? My impression is that the FF-(developer-)community is full of - sorry - geeks. And while being geeky to a certain extent myself, I have the impression that stability and real-world useability is not their foremost priority...

    I couldn't agree with you more, at least with the usability part. Stability is good without many extensions installed, or once you've learned how to keep extensions playing nicely together. Progress is being made toward making Firefox more appealing to non-geek users and others who prefer not to have to tweak their browser all the time, but there's still a lot of room for improvement. For myself, I don't mind spending a half hour on an evening off to install the latest version, make a new profile, install extensions, and tweak settings. Most people I know would rather do a lot of things other than that with their free time.

    pmkpmk

    9:49 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    You are right, I am still running 1.0.7 - mostly because of the aforementioned "Synchronize Bookmarks" extension. Unfortunately development of the extension seems to have ceased, but I could not imagine working effectively without it.

    I'm not sure if I did a clean install of the 1.0.7, it's more likely that I upgraded it from 1.0.5.

    Can I run 1.5 and 1.0.7 concurrently?

    MatthewHSE

    10:04 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Sure, you can use both versions concurrently if you install to different locations. I would definitely create separate profiles for each, too.

    Still, I would upgrade to 1.5 anyway. There should be a way to still use the Synchronize Bookmarks extension. At the extension page on UMO [addons.mozilla.org], "Dave" posted a URL to a fixed version. Also, installing Nightly Tester Tools on 1.5, then Sync Bookmarks, will probably work. 1.5 is definitely the fastest and most stable release out yet.

    And tabbed browsing in 1.5 is finally only one extension from full functionality, too! ;)

    pmkpmk

    10:09 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Thanks, I'll give it a try. My rant on MozillaZone wasn't answered yet - but it felt good to write it. I skipped the bit about geeks though :-)

    pmkpmk

    11:24 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    OK surfing on 1.5 now. Concurrent use showed to be rather complicated. Despite creating a new profile the old profile and 1.0.7 setup intervened all the time. However, thanks to the patched "Synchronize Bookmarks" I am now fully operable in 1.5 - except that the upload-on-exit for the synchronizer still does not work :-(

    My current extension list:

    - Add Bookmark Here
    - Adsense Notifier
    - Amazing Media Browser
    - Bookmarks Synchronizer
    - ColorZilla
    - CustomizeGoogle
    - Download Manager Tweak
    - Fasterfox
    - FirefoxView
    - Flat Bookmark Editing
    - FoxClocks
    - GeoURL
    - Gmail Notifier
    - Google Toolbar for Firefox
    - IE View
    - MeasureIt
    - MR Tech Local Install
    - refspoof
    - Resizeable Textarea
    - SearchStatus
    - SEOpen
    - SwitchProxy Tool
    - User Agent Switcher
    - Web Developer

    But - as you said - new Windows still keep popping up :-(

    MatthewHSE

    12:16 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Actually, that's not what I meant about tabbed browsing, because 1.5 has single-window mode built in. Go to Tools > Options > Tabs, then set your options however you like. 1.5 does not have Tab Clicking Options, however, which I find essential.

    pmkpmk

    9:03 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    So what is it you refer to as "Tab Clicking"?

    MatthewHSE

    3:47 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Tab Clicking Options [addons.mozilla.org]

    Out of the box, Firefox doesn't allow you to open a new tab by double-clicking on other tabs. This is annoying when you have many tabs open and no more open space on the tab row. Tab Clicking Options allows you to configure what should happen when you double click, middle click and right-click on tabs and the tab row. You can open new tabs, close tabs, or duplicate tabs (complete with history) depending on what clicking action you take. It's a real timesaver if you use a lot of tabs at once. And that functionality is about all (in my opinion) that Firefox's native tabbed browsing still leaves to be desired.

    pmkpmk

    4:50 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Wow! This extension really "rocks"! Especially since it allows to clone the current tab - something I really miss since switching from IE (in IE a new window clones the content of the current window).

    Another extension I came accross during my recent extension spree is the IEtab extension, which allows switching the rendering engine from Gecko to IE on a tab-by-tab basis. Basically the same thing for FF what Netscape made for the recent Netscape browser. And it obsoletes the "IE View" extension.

    sc112

    8:00 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    I don't have Tab Clicking Options inatalled, but I have Tab Mix Plus installed. It has all the features of Tab Clicking Options mentioned above, as well as a new-tab button to open a new tab, and close-tab buttons on every open tab, in addition to the close-tab button at the end of the tab bar. Very handy.

    pmkpmk

    8:35 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Hmm... tried it. Didn't like it since it was a bit too overloaded. Unistalled it - but it hasn't vanished completely! Some of its settings persisted even though it was uninstalled! What can I do?

    MatthewHSE

    8:58 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    What types of new options got left behind from TabMix? Also, basic question but worth asking, did you restart Firefox after uninstalling TabMix?

    asquithea

    9:03 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Unistalled it - but it hasn't vanished completely! Some of its settings persisted even though it was uninstalled! What can I do?

    Many extensions change built-in settings.

    Enter about:config into the address bar, and click on the Status column to bring the customized settings to the top. Right-click on individual settings and choose Reset to revert to their original value.

    pmkpmk

    9:05 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    No, Tab Mix Plus. The setting "show tabs even if only single page" seems resistant to uninstall. And something broke the upload-on-exit of Synchronize Bookmarks again. The culprit is most likely the (buggy) Switch Proxy extensions, as I have learned in MozillaZine... :-(

    The question however is: how do I get COMPLETELY rid of extensions, and what is a safe way of testing extensions without breaking a working install?

    Guess I need to make a new profile, install and configure anaything from scratch again?

    @asquithea: Great! I knew about "about:config" but your tip was really useful!

    Update: the about:config idea didn't work for the specific problem :-(
    Update 2: Works now. Looks like the extension sets an internal FF variable acessiable vie the normal settings menu. Thanks for your help though...

    sc112

    10:02 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    I uninstalled Tab Mix Plus to see if I could duplicate the problem. And I did. It remained even after the computer was rebooted. And yes resetting on about:config didn't work in this case either. I reinstalled it, and now the close-buttons are all gone, the ones on each open tab and the one at the end of the tab bar. The latter I can do without, but I want the close-buttons on every tab, so I had to install the extension Tab X. I will email the writer about these problems.

    pmkpmk

    10:08 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    He replied to me on MozillaZine: it's actually an internal FF setting which you can find at Tools > Option > Tabs. The extension simply tunnels it through, and obviously doesn't revert it upon unistall.

    sc112

    10:14 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    Acutally the close-buttons do work. I just didn't reconfigure the options properly. Glad to hear you had your problem solved.