Keeping menus and Logo on the page

Is this possible to do without using frames.

[corbas]

I am new to the webdesigning lark. I am currently deisgning a website for a friends wine company.

They want to keep the menu and company logo on the page at all times. I tried to make all the pages fit within an 800x600 screen res, so people would not have to scroll. But I found this impossible for the product pages. So I had to use frames (which after researching into frames more, I found to be a really bad idea)

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I have added the link below to show what I have done so far using frames (This is on my own personal webspace and not their company one, because it is nowhere near finished yet)
[dialspace.dial.pipex.com ]

Is there any way of doing the same sort of thing, but without using frames

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[glengara]

I've seen it all right, I think it may have been an I-frame, left aligned, and it moved up or down as you scrolled.

[divaone]

hi there,

you can create 'normal' webpages and include the logo and menu with external javascript (<keywords) or SSI (<keyword) or php includes (<keywords). that way your entire site remains constant and changes can be done to a single file effecting the entire site.

but :o) i have a couple of questions. whats wrong with scrolling? i assume you mean up and down scrolling. secondly, the site really should be designed to work whether at a resolution of 800x600, 1024x768, or whatever. try a fluid layout (<keywords).

[corbas]

Thanks Guys.

I don't mind the page scrolling. It is the people I am doing the site for. They wanted the logo and menu to always be seen. I will probably end up doing it as a normal HTML and telling them tough. I am new to web design and have not taught myself how to use PHPs etc yet.

If anyone else has any other suggestions as well. anything is useful for me

Cheers

[photon]

Would your friends be okay with "cementing" the logo and the menu so that they stay in the same place even while everything else is scrolling? If so, you could use

position:fixed;

with CSS to keep the logo in place on the background without using frames.

The menu is a different matter if most of your users have Internet Explorer as their browser. It can still be done, there's just a bit more work involved. There are several different work-arounds, some using JavaScript, some using CSS. A search on "internet explorer fixed positioning" or some permutation thereof should provide several good examples.

[divaone]

I don't mind the page scrolling. It is the people I am doing the site for. They wanted the logo and menu to always be seen. I will probably end up doing it as a normal HTML and telling them tough.

its all normal html anyway :o) the logo and navigation should be a part of a standard webpage. personally, my response to that request would be 'of course, thats a given'. as for the client, i would humbly suggest defining the line between professional input and amatuer input, meaning you as the professional need to lay out some guidelines as to how much input the client will give and you will follow. ive had clients tell me they wanted all their text in blue. as the developer, ive had to advise them on whats ok and whats not and draw the line on just how much they dictate (i dont care to put my name on junk).

I am new to web design and have not taught myself how to use PHPs etc yet.

for your own benefit now and in the future, imho its important to go beyond the limit of what i know now. if you can code: <a href="blah blah...> then you can certainly code: <?php include blah blah blah> :o) its very simple and may make your work much less of a load. imagine writing code for lengthy navigation on each of 40 pages then having to correct one error on each page a week later!

much luck to you in your venture :o)