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mongoosedoom

10:39 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Basically I need to get some sort of degree before I leave college. I want to get into web development and I would like to get a degree that would help me in that area. From all that I've read here, most people seem to say that learning on your own is much more important and I understand that but I need something! I've also seen that on job listings for various positions they list a bachelors in computer science or design.

At the university I plan on going to they have a very good computer science program but they also have a communication technology program that seems to be more geared for the web but it worries me that the only things I see listed in the description of their classes is HTML, CSS, and Javascript. I know there are much more things you can learn to create websites...

I personally think that the counselors have no idea what they are talking about so I figured I would ask some people that actually do web development.

LifeinAsia

11:00 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Are you planning to work for someone or run your own business? If the latter, a business degree might be helpful, although the classes probably focus more on general business than building entreprenurial skills.

CS classes will probably focus more on programming theory and skills.

grandpa

11:24 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If you plan on becoming a web developer, and you have no prior experience, then the classes with HTML, CSS and Javascript are going to build the foundation that you'll need.

If you start with an advanced language.. let's say PHP, eventually you are going to want to display the results on a page. You'll need to know HTML. If you want make your results pretty or fluid of placed somewhere specific on the page, you'll be glad you know something about CSS. If you want to keep someone from framing your results in their page, you'll be very happy to have an understanding of Javascript.

I have no doubt that the Communication Technology program will offer more advanced classes as well. But you need the foundation to build upon.

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, and good luck.

mongoosedoom

12:40 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Well, I have some knowledge of HTML. I'm not that proficient at it, even though I've somehow managed to run my own website for the past 6 years. I understand it I just haven't written very much of it myself but I'm getting back into really educating myself about it as well as CSS. I used to run a semi successful webcomic and taught myself the little I needed to get by.

As far as what direction I want to go with like business, programming, or design. I really don't know. I just know that I've always enjoyed working with websites and that I would like to take that a step farther. It's especially hard for me to just choose one thing because I want to learn everything!

treeline

12:53 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Pick a good school that offers a broad range of things like computers, science, English, psychology, etc. etc. etc. Something like liberal arts even. Take advantage of this chance to try out a lot of different things and find what really moves you.

There are plenty of opportunities on the web from just about any discipline. If you already understand the web basics and excel in psychology and develop pagerank for people, you can beat match.com without even knowing how to program yourself. So don't limit yourself just to schools with web courses, the web moves fast enough few schools can keep up. Learn to think.

netchicken1

1:00 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Certianly you need the basics as you mentioned.

But above that you need Php and mysql.

I think the only way to learn it is to do it yourself I have been teaching myself by running a messagebaord and modding it to suit my needs.

Otherwise any good language will give you the basics. I knew some VB beforehand and that gave me the general computing langauage skills to know what to look for.

For example I knew I need an IF statement and only have to find out how it is done in php.

vincevincevince

1:19 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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A joint honors degree in Web Development and Business would be good. You might have to search to find it! I started going through the listings for you and there were quite a lot... here are the ones I found (I don't vouch for the courses or the universities and colleges - do your own research or ask here):

University of Wales, Bangor
E-commerce and Internet Systems
3 year full-time Degree
Internet Systems and E-commerce
3 year full-time Degree

University of Bedfordshire
Internet and E-Business
3 year full-time Degree

Canterbury Christ Church University
Entrepreneurship and Internet Computing
3 year full-time Degree
Internet Computing and Business Studies
3 year full-time Degree

University of Chester
Business with Internet Technologies
3 year full-time Degree
Internet Technologies and Business
3 year full-time Degree
Internet Technologies with Marketing
3 year full-time Degree
Management and Internet Technologies
3 year full-time Degree

As you can see, I didn't even finish 'C...' in the alphabet. That was for a search for 'internet' at [ucas.com...] - and then hand filtering the list.

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simonuk

10:44 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I thought about doing the same thing but when I went to my local college to see what they were teaching it was techniques used years ago (Frames, tables etc etc).

From my experiences over the last ten years qualifications do not matter anywhere near as much as a strong portfolio and the experience you gain over time.

oneguy

10:32 pm on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I would go for business / management, or economics. Take computer courses on the side, and also learn independently while you're in school.

You can use the above in any number of fields.

Alternatively, you can take something you find easy, giving you plenty of time to work web stuff on the side.

I took a fairly challenging program, and used student loans to pay for all of my basic needs. Instead of getting a job, I spent extra time on the computer. I left with a large student loan debt, but the interest rate is way below what it would be if I took that loan out to start a business. I don't guess it would work out for everyone, but it sure worked out for me. I have a very marketable degree. At the same time, I have no need to market it because I'd have to take a giant pay cut if I got a job.

If you do go with a computer science degree of some sort, I would take some business classes along the way.

SoCalSam

1:02 am on Mar 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I've been a technologist since 1977, have been programming since 1986, and building web sites since 1994. My last job title before forming my own company was Chief Technology Officer (for an online e-commerce company).

You might be happy building web sites for now, but with an eye to the future, you'll want a well-rounded college degree in your pocket to gain access to any advanced position in any substantial company. And most advanced positions will require some level of business administration and management.

I'd have to suggest a BA degree, with a major in business administration, with a minor in information systems management or computer science. After you get your BA, go get a job, and keep going to school part time and get your MBA.

Learn the web development on the side. PHP, Perl, Apache, Tomcat, MySQL, Linux... good free tools for most any work, and all with tremendous on-line communities for help. Java, BEA Weblogic, Oracle, Unix... good expensive stuff found in corporate enterprises. And Microsoft's stack with VB.NET/ASP.NET/C#, IIS, and SQL Server works great but is not free.

Best wishes!

wolfadeus

5:57 pm on Mar 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My humble opinion:
Web Development requires practical skills.
Uni is for basic, theoretical, academic skills.

Thus, do an academic course (ie. economics rather than business, philosophy rather than communications) for the degree and spend your sparetime learning HTML, CSS and SEO. Supplement the academic background with business experience through internships during your summer breaks.

Also, keep in mind that content is king. You will learn the skills stated above very quickly, creating valuable content, however, demands more depth.

Good luck!

walkman

6:05 pm on Mar 16, 2007 (gmt 0)



get a busniess degree! If you can program, you can show that via example but the degree will help getting a job.

johnnie

1:38 pm on Mar 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If you have a computer science degree and you can show a decent portfolio, you can get in relatively easy :) In fact, if you show an awesome portfolio, the former might not be a prerequisite ;) Also, be firmly warned about the content of a business degree programme: courses tend to be extremely boring. This is ofcourse highly subjective, but I'm basing it on some experience with a joint business/computer science programme (I dropped the business and did a Bsc. in computer science).

ytswy

4:26 pm on Mar 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I've always blessed the 2 years of formal education in Computer Science that I had. Sure the only programming language I learnt was Pascal (simply not relevant in the real world), but the grounding in fundamentals I received means that I can teach myself other languages easily through online documentation.

If you know what you want to achieve, and have a reasonably good idea of how it should be done, you can do it in php even if you've never used the language before just with the help of php.net.

My fear of a highly specific "web development" course would be that it just teaches you specific things in a monkey-see-monkey-do kind of way, without giving you any insight into why your typing these particular commands.

That said, design and business skills are not something you should overlook if you want to strike out on your own.