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SEO companies! To be believed or not?

Overwhelmed by SEO. Help!

         

bid4abook

1:22 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello to everyone out there.
I am a very, very new member to the site. I have joined to try and improve my knowledge (which is little as it stands) in all areas of web design and promotion. The question I have is that I am trying to promote my site, having spent three months of frustration and not getting aywhere I decided to research and enlist a SEO company. The first look at what is being offered out there is pretty daunting as some SEO promises are blatant frauds, whilst others seem too good to be true (which normally means they are). Is three months not enough to get ranked in Google? Is there any indicators that I am missing when looking at SEO companies and what sort of price should I be looking at? Advice and guidance gratefully received.

inbound

1:59 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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SEO for your sector is not going to be easy, even though you serve a niche there are many well established sites that will rank above you even if you put a great deal of effort into it.

There are things that you can do with your site (titles on the auction pages being an obvious one).

I think you would be well served by just tidying up the basics then concentrating on word of mouth and building links with sites that are of interest to your visitors.

Don't be afraid to link out to other sites, it's a sign that you care about your visitors being served well (try not to link to people doing exactly what you do though).

Some issues:

Homepage title - Too long and you need the 'rare, first edition, out of print' to be close to the start (or at the start). Someone reading your title in a search engine will just see you sell books, and may not see that you sell rare books (people scan results, they dont read them)

Links page - Sort it so the most useful links are most visible, to be honest it's a mess in Firefox (an alternative web browser)

Content - Write some interesting stuff and put it on the site

I hope that helps

FalseDawn

7:35 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There's nothing a SEO company can do that you yourself can't do with a little research and patience.
You do appear to be in a sector where you are up against obvious (much larger) competition, but you do have a niche that needs to be exploited more.

As has been mentioned, you do need more content pages, and what you do have needs tidying up - titles/headers/metas etc.

3 months is not long to start worrying - it can oftern take 6 months or more for G to index sites properly.

rfontaine

7:43 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There is one thing an SEO company can do for you:

Destroy your rankings.

lcampers

8:01 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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a good seo company can provide a great service actually

it's like hiring a writer to write content for your site, or a designer to build your site

a good seo company will market your site

if you don't like the results, stop paying them

there are a lot of bad seo marketers, and you shouldn't join anyone who will market your site for free, as their methods will prolly get you banned from search engines... but, any good marketing company can do wonders for your business - and the good ones will build and host your site as part of the package

but this is obviously somewhat expensive, though not as expensive as marketing via other media like tv, newspapers, etc.

bid4abook

8:28 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Many thanks for the advise, so far.
Guess I want too much too soon. I will follow the varied advise and endeavour a bit longer. Any webmaster for dummies sites that come recommended?

Leosghost

9:41 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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this one ..read lots and ask questions ..one at a time ..:)

bid4abook

9:58 am on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Point taken *L*

Matt Probert

7:34 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Having looked at your site's home page, I would recommend first off that you drop the <font> tag and use proper HTML heading tags, <h1> &c.

Google likes <h1> and <h2>, and you can amend their effect using a separate CSS file.

Your home page also needs more text relevant to what you are selling. Instead of using an image for the text, use text!

As you are selling books, drop the Adsense adverts. They imply your business is amateurish. Make your money from the auction business, not from advertising.

Similarly, lose the childish web ring. It's not appropriate for a professional site, more for a hobby site.

I hope I haven't come across as too brutal, I am honestly trying to help.

Matt

bid4abook

9:22 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Matt, not a problem. That is why I asked the question. Points taken, I will lose the web ring :-)

lcampers

1:15 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i agree that the adsense ads don't work on a site already selling something else but i disagree that they make the site look cheap, not just because i use them, but everyone does, including many actual respectable sites and news orgs.

i find that people are more comfortable knowing they are google ads, because clicking on them won't necessarily pop up spyware, junk ads, etc.

and the google ads for the most part actually do provide some relevance to the site they are on

bid4abook

10:40 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I really need to keep the Google ads, because I at present am using PPC with them and the ad sense program means I can at least try and claw back some of the money paid out in adwords. Or is their a cheaper way of doing it?

Essex_boy

2:42 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It amazes me, the number od socalled SEO firms that just want to sell PPC advertising, really they havnt a clue about true SEO work.

vincevincevince

2:49 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In your sector, you should ensure you make the very most of your content.

A skilled SEO team would find which of your products are not already well ranked for the big industry players. Yes it would be rather time consuming. Yes it would need the skills of a programmer and an analyst.

Attempting to compete on thousands of fronts at once in a competitive market is never going to work. You've got to pick your battles. When you're making good sales on the battles you've won, you can afford the additional investment to tackle some of the more competitive products.

Also look for alternative promotion methods. Most products have an image no larger than 200x350px. Providing a high quality image of the product and applying good SEO principles to the name and linking structure will quickly garner you click in traffic from google images and other image libraries. Yes it will take time to get new images of all the products, yes it will take days uploading photos and renaming them, but yes, it's more exposure, which means more traffic, and more sales.

Having read these, make sure you don't pick an SEO firm which offers you a generic campaign of links and changing titles.

bid4abook

6:07 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Many Thanks for the advice I will be looking long and hard at the SEO side of things, as I do not have the time or knowledge at present to boost my poor rankings.