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eleni

4:28 pm on Jan 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I am TOTALLY new to web designing (3 days). I am also an amateur photographer (dealing with photoshop) and I want to be able in the future to design my own site...I own Dreamweaver and I am lost into tons and tons of books... hopefully one day I will be able to "create" something out of it... since am still reading the different servers and what the @$%#$ Dreamweaver talks about them...I am sure for one thing though...that this site will help me rearrange everything into my head since I see people with excellent knowledge of web designing.
Is logical that I am lost with Dreamweaver, right (imagine I do not really know what CSS is...)? I have understood the basics of HTML and how a web page is more or less constructed...Can you tell me in plain words what does Dreamweaver and what does Frontpage? And why most people prefer Dreamweaver over Fontpage?
Thank you eleni

stever

4:41 pm on Jan 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Hi eleni and welcome to Webmasterworld.

Don't despair. If you already have an understanding of html and how a webpage is constructed in three days, that's not a bad start!

Firstly, Frontpage and Dreamweaver are ways to make it easier for you to design a page without having to get stuck straight into the html code. Dreamweaver tends to have more advanced features than Frontpage (which may be more difficult for a beginner).

One thing I would advise you to do is to keep reading the books and following the tutorials in the programme.

However, at the start, ignore all the stuff about the server models and dynamic languages, and only start with CSS once you are confident about building a basic html page.

Try using each tag <p> <li> <a> and see what it does and what limitations and advantages there are. Make a simple page using tables. Now make one using <div>s (Dreamweaver calls them layers).

And a tip at the beginning. Keep the screen in split view (Code/Design view) so you get used to seeing what effect your actions are having on the code.

Good luck and don't be afraid to ask questions...

eleni

6:33 pm on Jan 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Stever thank you very much for your reply. I feel already better with your answer...because this is what I do. I try the different basic tabs with split window to see and learn...and I am happy that this is what you proposed to me... :-) Please tell me, designs are accomplished on Dreamweaver or it is necessary to design first in a designer programm eg. Photoshop and then "send" it to Dreamweaver to translate it to HTML...or I am mixed up?

stever

8:42 pm on Jan 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Graphics should be made in a graphics editor - Photoshop, as you mentioned, or Fireworks, which is part of the Macromedia stable and so integrates tightly with Dreamweaver for web graphics.

One mistake we almost all make at the beginning is trying to transfer an entire graphic design onto the web page. Firstly, it doesn't help with the search engines (for various reasons). Secondly, it often makes the page unnecessarily slow to load. And thirdly, with just a slight change in looking at the way of doing things, you are able to create good-looking pages with reusable graphics.

For example, instead of having five buttons all looking slightly different, use one button graphic as a background to all five links and make the words text. Or, sometimes possible and even better, try to use a repeating small slice as a background. Likewise try to see where a graphic can be replaced by a repeating thin slice.

You will see that you are able to use the background property for certain items within DW and, as you become happier with the programme, to control these by way of CSS. Have fun!

BlueGhost

4:59 am on Jan 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



If you are new to web design and you own dreamweaver - Stop. Take a deep breathe and take a course on it - either on line or at you local university/adult education branch.

I used Front Page for years and the html code seems to "eat it self up - like a cancer." So we just switched over to Dreamweaver. We took a course in it to make the transition smooth - or at least as smooth as it could be.

I have know people to "take to it" right away but I think they or you would be missing on its full potential with out some structured study. FP and DW are pretty amazing programs and I don't think you can ever learn it all.

Also you will have to know the basics of HTML code to “correct” the code of these programs, so you got a lot to learn. But it is not daunting and it is fun and rewarding. Enjoy.

SlowMove

5:12 am on Jan 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



The books can get to be overwhelming. I would set a goal for yourself, and reference the books on an as needed basis. You can start building with something very simple:



<html>
<head>
<title>Hello World</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Hello World</h1>
</body>
</html>

eleni

6:59 am on Jan 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thank you all so much...I bought a book about tags and "miracoulously" it is not at all hard to understand or deal with them...I have created the above mentioned example. I have even inserted images, linked images to other pages, used the alt tag, created lists (ul, il), bg, some 2rowx3column table and each cell with its own color! for a reason HTML seem to me very logic (an open tag MUST close, and a tag represents something...) Last night in DW I made borders, dealt with headings, again linked some words...
and now that I have your company...I feel even better :-) I downloaded yesterday the trial Fireworks mx from macromedia and played around with it a bit... reminds me a bit of PS... boy all this is fun.Is it a necessity for someone to get classes for DW / Fireworks? Books, time and trial and error cannot be enough?
eleni

limbo

10:55 am on Jan 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



time, and trial and error cannot be enough?

This is the best way to learn. Experience and practical application of what you know are two of your most valuable assets.

There are quite good tutorials that come with all macromedia software - Also, I found when I was learning, to have someone else around who was already experienced made life a lot easier.

and now that I have your company...I feel even better

I was relatively inexperienced when I joined - this place can (and will) teach you all you need to know ~ I still count myself as a minnow but you will find that everyone here has something to learn - even the folks I consider as sages ;)

Ta

Limbo

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As for books for Dreamweaver/Fireworks - I wouldn't waste your money - there is very little you cannot find on the net in the way of educating yourself - there are excellent tutorial sites and forums for macromedia. The graphics and wysiwyg forums here are excellent. I suggest you spend your money on a very comfy chair ;)