Banned in MSN.Now what?

[Xstnva]

I have recently been banned in MSN. Not sure why, because until about a month ago I was doing well. Anybody know where I could find some reasons or guidelines?

[crobb305]

Very good question. I had a site completely deindexed shortly after creating some SSL pages. I have sent emails to the published webspam address and have not received so much as an automated reply. I have heard nothing. And there is no one from MSN working in this forum anymore (at least not consistently). So I am at a brick wall. Man I sure wish the old MSNdude was back with us. :(

[gehrlekrona]

Read all other 5000 threads about MSN banning sites, deindexing sites, 301 problems and everything else under the sun and see if you can find out why you have been banned.
Nobody knows, not even MSN!
MSNDude? He probably got tired of us complaining about how bad MSN is now. They'll never catch up with Google and it seems like they have given up.
Form my point of view I think they are trying to get rid of spam but their thershold is set too low and now they are banning almost everyone! I used to track some keywords and they usually showed up with 25,000 pages or so but now I only see 12,000 so there's a lot of pages/sites gone. In the pages that DO show up there's a lot of links pages! and other crappy pages. Did everyone at their QA department quit?

Anybody here get a BETTER ranking lately?

[bobothecat]

Anybody here get a BETTER ranking lately?

I've done just fine, and even have new pages indexed and ranking well within a few days of publication.

One can only assume that they may have either: a) implemented a really strict algo, b) are broken, c) both, or d) none of the above.

... for me it's D.

[ajayyadav]

Hello All,

I have a website on gifts. Initially it had good ranking in msn but now it was banned by msn search engine.

Can you please advice me what is the reason for this?

and please aslo advice me what should i do with my site. What kind of changes should i do on my website?

Thanks,
Best Regards

[Reno]

Initially it had good ranking in msn but now it was banned by msn search engine.

The problem that many of us are having is we don't know why a site will suddenly and without apparent reason go from being indexed to being invisible with MSN/Live. That being the case, it is hard to make suggestions since there is no rhyme or reason -- it just happens one day. And as mentioned by others, little or nothing that you do will seem to help.

Some people say "hey, I'm fine with MSN". My response is -- yeah, we were all fine at one point, then out of the blue, things changed.

So the only suggestion I can offer is to look at the makeup of your site before the "ban" occurred; then try to recall if there is anything you did immediately before the pages were removed, and if so, consider reversing those actions so you can go back to the earlier state.

But again, it may have nothing to do with you!

This is one reason why people that have decent rankings are hesitant to make any changes whatsoever to their pages, which is playing it safe but keeping things somewhat stagnant.

The whole search engine thing -- with both MSN and Google -- is so contingent on "punishment" it has become ridiculous, and ultimately, a LOT of good content is kept away from visitors. Especially since they refuse to provide any clue as to WHY you are gone and what you can do to make things right. Very sad state of affairs, IMHO.

I just wish a new well-funded search service would come along and rank pages strictly on the quality of content AND relevance to the search query, without the warped punishment obsession that we see too often now. But that, I'm sorry to say, is most likely nothing more than wishful thinking.

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[gehrlekrona]

As a lot of people you have defined as a spammer and have been removed/banned from their index and if they keep this up there won't be anyone left in their index but mom and pop sites.
There is no clue to what they are doing and I wonder if they know themselves what they are doing right now and have been for several months.
I am not sure, but I THINK it has something to do with anchor text and internal links, but that's just a theory among thousands of other theories floating around and they will just ge a lot of guessing since there is nothing in their Web Master Guide that could tell you what to do and what not to do. I have checked all my sites and I do not violate anything as far I understand!
For now I really don't care about MSN/Live.com since I get traffic from Google, Yahoo, Ask and several other SE's and I don't want to change anything just to get into MSN since all of the other SE's send more traffic than MSN ever did. MSN was just good for new sites while waiting for Google and Yahoo to catch up.
I am not saying that I don't want the traffic from MSN since all traffic is good, but changing whatever I have would probably not be a good thing. Then I'd loose traffic from the other ones and MSN won't make up for that.
Right now it seems that if you are OK in the other search engines then you are screwed in MSN so if you want to get into MSN, revers whatever you have in your site that makes good traffic from other SE's and you'll be back in MSN.

[ajayyadav]

Thanks You Very Much To You People For Giving Me Your Valuable Information.

Many Thanks

[crobb305]

You know, MSN has no obligation to help us. We all know that. But man it sure was nice when the old MSNDude was here so frequently. He was dedicated and extremely helpful. His devotion spoke volumes on behalf of MSN; it exemplified their (MSN's) dedication to the search issue at the time. Unfortunately, things really seem to have changed in the last 6 month. These days, I would be happy to just get an automated reply from my reinclusion request or webspam submissions; we don't even get that much.

[jason77]

Who cares about MSN?

[crobb305]

Who cares about MSN?

Anyone who desires traffic for their website. Even if you get a trickle, it adds up. You may say you don't care, but if you ranked well and got 50 or so visitors a day, you probably wouldn't complain.

[bbrigman]

We run a family mom and pop type of furniture store that specializes in retro furniture and restored vintage machines. We used to enjoy first page organic listings on MSN but then in November 2006 we just dissappeared. I have been trying to fix this since December but it seems that no one at Microsoft can tell me why we were dropped. All they can say is resubmit and we will re index you. Well now it is March and we are still not showing up, this is after re submiting every other month!

The site is filled with GREAT content and not one bit of spam.

Thanks!

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[gehrlekrona]

Mom&Pop shop,
Another one that bites the dust :( You have probably been classified as a spammer by MSN even though you probably aren't.
The ONLY thing I can think of is that you link between your own web sites. I THINK MSN thinks this is "illegal link spamming" just to get your link count "inflated".....

[classifieds]

We run a family mom and pop type of furniture store that specializes in retro furniture and restored vintage machines. We used to enjoy first page organic listings on MSN but then in November 2006 we just disappeared. <snip>

The problem may be the way you are repeating the text on every page that begins with "Our 4,000 square foot retail ...."

On many pages there's not enough unique content to tell that particular page from any other.

[bbrigman]

3 days after posting in this forum our site is showing up on MSN again /cheer.

Thanks for the two comments on internal links and removing our showroom information from every page. We will work on implementing both of those fixes!

If you have been banned from MSN just keep trying. It took about 6 months of submitting every other month for us to start showing up again.

Thanks again!