why has my site dissapeared

my site has gone from MSN

[IsItUPYet]

Hi i currently have a site <snip> a few months back we changed the site from asp to HTML and put some ASP redirects. this resulting in google and MSN totally dropping the site.

We removed the ASP redirects and i submitted a new sitemap. Google and MSN then picked the site up again

However last week pages started dropping again and now it has dissapeared almost completely of both of them (if you do site:www.example.com)

I do some links to the site, possible about 6 a week so i don't understand why it is dropping off MSN and GOOGLE

does anyone have any ideas

Thanks

[edited by: engine at 10:42 am (utc) on Dec. 7, 2006]
[edit reason] See TOS [webmasterworld.com] [/edit]

[Marcia]

Despite what MSN might say, I suspect there's some kind of a glitchy type problem when sites have 301's. I'd suspect that the redirects have something to do with your problems, though unfortunately I don't have any remedy to offer after they've already been done, which often can't be avoided.

I personally will, in future, plan to never, ever - if at all possible - have any need for redirects, because MSN traffic ROCKS for traffic and conversions for some target markets, and therefore the traffic they send can be very important for some sites.

[edited by: Marcia at 10:21 am (utc) on Dec. 7, 2006]

[steveb]

I've seen a few sites disappear in the past couple days. All have appropriate 301s, and MSN handles 301s horribly so that could be the issue, but it could be some other meltdown they have had.

This is probably it [webmasterworld.com...]

[Fish_Texas]

My total page count at site:www.mydomain.com has been dropping in recent days, as well as 2 competition sites I've been tracking. However I can't find any missing pages when I do a search for those keywords.

I have new pages being crawled and indexed but total count is dropping. Go figure...could be a glitch.
Anyone else experiencing this? comments?
Fish Texas

[seosteve]

I have the same problem. I have a site that list well for very competitive keywords in google. The site has many relevant backlinks, but it still disappeared from MSN.

I am running a 301 because I moved the site back in Sept. My site has now dropped entirely out of the index.

Has anyone tried dropping the 301? Were you indexed again?

[JoeSinkwitz]

I don't intend to drop the www non-www 301 on any of my sites, but I have noticed that it resulted in a site disappearing on Dec 7th; I haven't checked many of the others I manage, but would imagine they are all vulnerable.

Unfortunately, this opens a very large hole for MSN bowling; it wouldn't take much work to determine which competitors are using redirects and then link to those redirecting pages.

Poor form MSN; fix it.

Cygnus

[followgreg]

Steveb, you might be right once again.
When I checked the sites MSN dropped, the common factor is 301 redirects.
But there are surely other factors MSN is unable to interpret correctly.

Currently on most of our sites "dropped" by MSN the only pages indexed are some old 301 redirected pages with the good old cache "Moved parmanently...The document has moved here."
The funny part is that I disallowed by robots.txt these pages just to make sure there would not be any problem.

As mentioned above since Google (and logic) dictates 301 procedures to avoid duplicates there is no way I would take a chance with my Google rankings just to get insignificant traffic from MSN.

Still the bottom line is the same, MSN is unable to determine which site behave ethically from which one is a fraud...

At the end of the day, spammers keeps manipulating MSN while ethical businesses are loosing interest in MSN.

As previsouly said they don't want to admit their failures/issues. after all, it's their call. What I am convinced of is that they will loose the little credibility they have left as well as the little market share they have...shrinking everyday.

....and the world keeps Googling and googling and googling.......

By the way Marcia, even on extremely high search volume keywords you can't compare MSN and Google.
As far as conversions though I agree that MSN would convert slightly more (as %) in very specific cases but the lack of traffic overall kills it.