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Well, I am an enterpreneur with web related very small business ( non adsense based ) and have a solid 12 year experience to back me up. But As i saw my AdSense growing, I was / am tempted to put more of time in AdSense related work ( Writing Articles, Trying in real what i write etc ).
This has made my earnings from my main business go down majorly, but AdSense had compensated it.
It is fun, no doubt, but it is NOT your business. It is Google's Business and you are 100% dependent on Google. Not that Google People are bad, but they will not tollerate any tricks you play with them, at any cost.
Are you ready for it?
I have learned than many many AdSense 'Experts' are thrown out of the roller coaster every month just for trying to trick the system.
If you are in a regular job, you wouldnt be thrown out.
Think of yourself on a hi speed roller coaster, without the latch, and then one day you (in over-confidence ), you try to stand up - AND -- there it goes -- you are gone there --
No amount of advice anywhere will save you. Awareness is important, because you dont have a place to explain your guilt ( or inoSENSE )once you are kicked.
Say a goodbye to your job only if you have 1 year of money in your bank to pay bills and eat. EVen for that, take a long leave and then try work.
Greatest Tip I know of - Self discipline in being your own boss is a must.
BTW, NO person should come in this AdSense business who plan to make money on other people's content fo rlong term stability. Write your own content, or hire people or agencies to write them for you.
Be Authentic - Be Rich - And Hold The TOS Chart carefully.
I hope so, but after reading for awhile I'm not completly sure... How about victims of click attacks?
Do they exists, or is just people pretending they're nice and have been booted for no reason?
You gotta be in a regular job and playing fair, I have no doubts about that. But I feel like I gotta have good luck, not to find the wrong people in my way...
I have simple ways to deal with them
1) I do not disclose about my sites ( learned it the hard way )
2) watch your logs almost daily.
3) Any increase in impressions , or clicks, inform google at the first go.
You do need luck, apart from hard work. But isnt it the case with our life itself?
If you are in a regular job, you wouldnt be thrown out.
Unless you become a major publisher, I wouldn't feel safe. Today they unjustifiably went after many innocent sites. Tomorrow some other uncommunicated algo is going to penalize some other sector.
Generally you will expect to be safer having a big account with a publicly held company. With G, honestly, be ready to expect anything.
I will recommend having G as your backup, if possible.
Just my 2 cents.
You do need luck, apart from hard work. But isnt it the case with our life itself?
Think how long you would survive if googles next cheque didn't arrive?
I wish, google should come up with some safety measures for publishers. It is no fun living on a monthly edge.
With YPN coming and hopefully MSN coming soon, if the system can make way for a way by these companies to provide a system where we have something to fall back on.
Also, If google starts a program where they can RATE a standing of a publisher and make him free from fear of a kick. I mean, lets say a publisher has performed honestly and well in terms of traffic also, for say an year or two, he may get some benefit in terms of cash or kind or a safety net. If people see profit and safety tomorrow too, they will work more honestly and hard.
It was obviously not legitimate clicks, but I still got the money so some advertisers lost out.
I assume 100 odd clicks isn't a big attack, has anyone had a big attack and if so what happened?
Don't think I'd notice 100 extra clicks now, since I'm averaging $120 a day from Adsense with the odd day hitting $150.
To the OP you can live off Adsense, but as you hit on don't do anything to jeopardize the income (don't stand up in the roller coaster :-)). I've been putting a lot of effort into Adsense and Amazon affiliate sites recently (since April) and last 7 days I've made over $2,000 from them which is as much as I make from my core business!
David
it is NOT your business. It is Google's Business and you are 100% dependent on Google.
It is your business, you've just placed all of your revenue generating possibilities into the hands of one client. That doesn't make good business sense - no matter what business you're in.
That's your choice, but it needn't be that way.
TJ
I quoted this from one of the posts on this discussions.
1. Google would do great if it could come up with a way to protect the interests of the honest and growing publishers.
2. Safety net should be created for honest publishers.
3. Bonuses would have been great for growing and hardworking publishers.
Google would do great if it could come up with a way to protect the interests of the honest and growing publishers
Agreed....
I think they should have a probationary period of 6 months/1 year or something. After that time you are at least granted a chance to respond to any problems with your account. I realize they do not HAVE to do this, but keeping your reliable publishers happy and giving them some sense of stability can't hurt.
It's scary. The current system is scary. :\ to say the least.
Perhaps some of you don't have any experience running other businesses, perhaps of the brick and mortar variety. There are all kinds of pitfalls and hang-ups for all businesses. Some where single aspects can cripple them.
Run it like a professional business and do what is necessary to succeed. Treat it like a hobby, and it is likely to be unpredictable, and very hobby-like.
Nothing special about Google and adsense here. All kinds of businesses get boot-strapped with a large client or single source of revenue. It is what you manage to do with that revenue stream that makes the difference.
If you live in fear of some kind of boogeyman clickmonster taking everything away, then it is unlikely you are going to be succesful in the long-term. There will aleways be a new boogeyman out there. Question is are you always going to run scared?
I think for a lot of people adsense and such is their first foray into any kind of actual business. From that perspective it is not a bad learning experience. The over-head is non-existant compared to almost any other business out there, so your margin for error is much greater.
If you don't bring in any revenue this month, it is likely you will be able to scrounge coins out of the sofa to pay your hosting bill. Try having a $25,000 phone bill that if you do not pay your business will be completely shut down.
People like to exxagerate the perils of adsense and of being a small web publisher. If you work really hard, work smart and pay attention you have a real chance to succeed. There is no secret.
Sometimes we can wonder where all these fanciful stories of Google arbitrarily removing people from the program for doing nothing wrong come from... But it is easy to see if you look... While everyone in these circles are friendly, they are all your competitors. Considering some of the things people do, it is not beneath the lowest level to have people purposefully try and scare and inhibit new publishers from coming into the space, because it means less money for those already there.
Finally, take all your new found business knowledge and apply it to Google and try to put yourself in their shoes. Do a full analysis of what people claim they do, and determine what you would do as a normal person in a position of authority at Google would do. One with many considerations to keep in mind, but most importantly to peform and as a public company increase revenues. Take all of that and then try to make sense of some of the ridiculous claims and rumors people write and believe. If your business education and school of hard knocks education has been worthwhile, you will see that it is not so simple and not so easy, and that it is unlikely that Google is out to get you. Because it is not good for you and it is not good for Google.
There are companies who get a single item into Wal-Mart distribution and that makes their whole company. Only problem is the item could be removed or replaced at any time. So you have to make the most of it and protect yourself and diversify. What you don't do is sit around trembling and shaking in the corner waiting for the worst to happen. If all you do is wait for the worst to happen, than all that will happen to you is the worst.
I wish, google should come up with some safety measures for publishers. It is no fun living on a monthly edge.
Job security is simply no longer a part of life as we know it. A generation or two ago, people could get an entry-level position in a company and devote their lives to working for a single employer, retiring 40 years later with a nice pension. The job market has changed, but many people's idea about what the job market should be has not. A 9 to 5 job is no more secure than Google Adsense, and I don't think Google is about to do anything to change that. The market place is uncertain, with companies folding or downsizing or outsourcing or changing market niches or <insert business profitability strategy of the day here> every day.
Every job has its advantages and disadvantages; the question is whether the uncertainties inherent to Adsense are worth the benefits of flexibility and being the master of your own destiny.
