google hiding something?

[webnoob]

on google stats (Page impressions) show 60% less than my actual site stats.

i use two different web stats tracking tools which both always show roughly the same amount of pageviews, yet google is 50-60% less than the actual pageviews my server shows.

i have 1 ad that appears on every single page so google page impressions should be the same as what my server shows.. yet it is not.

now i question google more because 2-3 days ago i started publishing ads for yahoo and yahoo shows my page views correctly..

makes me think google is cheating somewhere.. ideas?

[trillianjedi]

PSA's?

Geo-targetting not showing ads for particular countries?

TJ

[europeforvisitors]

now i question google more because 2-3 days ago i started publishing ads for yahoo and yahoo shows my page views correctly.

Trillinjedi's suggestion of geotargeting makes sense, if only because AdSense is global and YPN isn't (at least norw now).

[wrgvt]

Browsers with javascript disabled?

People hitting the back button before AdSense loads?

[webnoob]

>Browsers with javascript disabled?

>People hitting the back button before AdSense loads?

50% is quite a lot i would think it would not be such a huge difference..

example: webserver tracking tools show 90,000 page views, google only reports 35,000

that is a big difference..

[zCat]

What about hits from bots, download tools? What does your statistic software count as a "page view"? Could it be including things like CSS files or other non-content files?

[error10]

You may have no ads at all showing to certain users. This will cause your impressions to be lower than the actual page views. I always use the alternate ad URL (with google_adsense_script.html) so I can track these as well.

[bumpski]

As said before the back button, but perhaps more so.

I wonder if Google even counts multiple views of a page by the same person (perhaps the same ads from cache). A lot of times I'll "back" out of site which could be several page views. Google might not count any of that.

The contract lets them do anything they want.

I wonder how many webmasters will start seeing the opposite occur. As more and more ISP's cache your webpages, Google may see the pageview but your server may not, unless you do add tracking code!

I've already taken steps to avoid this caching problem.

[ann]

Is this some sort of trick question?

Google does not allow Yahoo contextual ads on same SITE much less same page? What's going on here?

Ann

[ann]

Perhaps Yahoo people trolling the water for newbys (who don't bother to read the T&C) that may break TOS if they follow suit?

Ann

[Tropical Island]

Google does not allow Yahoo contextual ads on same SITE much less same page? What's going on here?

If you look in the Yahoo Publisher forum you will see that Jenstar (our moderator) has confirmed with Google that they will allow both AdSense and Yahoo on the same site but NOT on the same page.

[webnoob]

> Perhaps Yahoo people trolling the water for newbys (who don't bother to read the T&C) that may break TOS if they follow suit?

speculating? who said there is a law where you must stick to only one ad network? you just can't run google/yahoo ads on the same page..

[ann]

There was a thread on this board when the new rulesd were set forth covering this very area. I may be misreading but Google appears to have relented a small amount because the wording was a bit confusing.

Here is the way it is written now.

>> If you have elected to receive contextually-targeted Google ads, this would include all other contextually-targeted ads or links on the same page as Google ads. This would also include ads throughout the site that mimic Google ads.....<<

Still looks to me as this leaves Yahoo out but who knows?

Sorry about the troll remark, it's been a long day.

Ann

[Visi]

Ann previous discussion on that part of TOS here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

[bumpski]

If you look in the Yahoo Publisher forum you will see that Jenstar (our moderator) has confirmed with Google that they will allow both AdSense and Yahoo on the same site but NOT on the same page.

I'm sorry to say this, but technically anything said about Terms of Service for Adsense here at Webmasterworld is totally irrelevant. It is useful for reference only. Even comments by Adsense Advisior are legally irrelevant. Google must put in writing in their terms of service all clarifications.
You agreed to the terms Google presented to you. No where in those terms is Webmasterworld or Adsense Advisor mentioned.
Obviously there's ton's of useful information here, but when it gets down to basics, you have to read Google's documents, and that's all that's relevant.

Regarding the original post, Google makes no guarantees regarding the accuracy of their reporting. I'm not even sure they mention their reporting. That's the way it is when dealing with a corporate giant. I'm sure they will consider an email to correct problems, they always look at them. The only possible way to alter the system is to get all the publishers involved on one band wagon. How likely is that? (Google chuckles)

[Visi]

Well bumpski can't say you are wrong in your comments in regard to the tOS, however in the past 2 years neither Jen nor either of the Adsenseadvisors have led me in the wrong direction. Before I do it I would get an email from Google confirming but in the meantime will start to revise the "under the hood" stuff to allow for this.

[ArtistMike]

From JenStar
"I got the clarification, it is 100% within the AdSense terms to run both AdSense and YPN on the same site, as long as they aren't appearing together on the same page during the same page view."

There you go... you are free to run both on the same site.

[ann]

The wording of the terms says ads that "mimic" google contextual ads and Yahoo does that so I personally will do and either or not both on the same site.

Just my 2 cents, I believe in CMA.

Ann

[YesMom]

I can't even login to the Yahoo interface, so it is a non-issue with me... HAHA

[stuartc1]

I have reported the exact same thing - google imps between 30%-50% less than actual (I've taken into account css, images etc. this is real pageviews).

But I've also seen my pages with no ads appearing on occassions - so looks like google just do not want to show ads on every single pageload - and only counts for actual impressions, and not site pageloads.