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For what it's worth, I've been the target of massive click attacks on two separate occasions. (The first time it happened, my earnings jumped $1,300 in a single day.) In each case, I reported the statistical spike to Google, they said "Thanks," and no damage was done.
A discussion with Google about all the sites where You display the AdSense code.
Who did FTP with the site, where Your code is missused?
In a case of a criminal act like this, the provider has to give all connection data.
When somebody burns down Your restaurant, it's a criminal act
When somebody tries to destroy You AdSense account, it's a cirminal act
It kind of sounds like you're looking for loop holes so you can break the rules and get away with it. If that's not your intention then I apologize, but we get a lot of that around here.
I've noticed that when you open the source code of a site with adsense, you could get the adsense code. So what's stopping me, my competitor or anyone else from copying my adsense code and doing stuff on it to get banned?
Nothing really stopping you but I sure wouldn't want to be the the receiving end on the lawsuit you find yourself involved with specifically for interfering with someone else's business, you could get in a world of hurt.
It would take a few minutes to find out who is the owner of the dummy site
I doubt that. I will pay for a guy living in some third world countries and ask him to set up a new google adsense account with a fake home address. And buying a domain name is easy using fake details. Especially in third world countries.
Also there are many ways you can create click frauds if you have the source code of your competitor even without the use of dummy sites.
Oh and the motive is very obvious digitalv. To eliminate competition. I'm not looking for ways to cheat the system, I'm looking for it's weaknesses so we can discuss it and find ways to strengten those weaknesses because after all, it's our business.
In the case of channels, invalid clicks won't show in a specific channel if the google_ad_channel was omitted. The invalid clicks would just show in the total number of clicks. If you have a very large site with hundreds of channels and thousands of clicks a day, a difference of 50 invalid clicks is fairly hard to detect. If the person doing the fraud is clever enough not to do invalid click too much per day, in time, he can get the site banned and get away with it. I think...
Oh and the motive is very obvious digitalv. To eliminate competition. I'm not looking for ways to cheat the system, I'm looking for it's weaknesses so we can discuss it and find ways to strengten those weaknesses because after all, it's our business.
What I'm asking is how does this eliminate competition? If you and I run similar content sites, both running AdSense, and you're successful in getting my AdSense account shut off, how have you eliminated competition? My site is still there competing with yours, I'm just now tasked with finding a different provider for Ad revenue.
You're not going to make any more money on your ads or receive more traffic to your site with my AdSense account disabled. There is simply no purpose to do what you're saying.
Well this would be like any sort of vandalism or smear campaign; to waste the good guy/gal's time putting things right again.
It is easy to destroy; harder to create.
And all this is assuming that there *is* a suitable substitute for AS for the person being attacked.
Still, if your site and behaviour is clean then I think that G is very likely to give you the benefit of the doubt and block the site producing the invalid clicks, and refund the clicks to the advertiser. If you are honest you won't mind that and G will notice.
(I like to think that G will have noted to my credit that on my very first month with AS I was just a few cents short of the magic $100 to get paid that month and guess what, stayed just short of it. Bv<)
Rgds
Damon
This would be a great addition to AdSense. Don't you think so too? GoogleGuy, AdsenseAdvisor, please let us know if you're planning to implement a feature like this. We obviously need such a protection. Jenstar, are you able to take their attention to this post? Maybe when many people agree?
Thanks.
Heh! or make him rich, LOL
Haha. I guess not. As for me, i will purposely subscribe to a dial up isp with a static i.p. and click on the ads on the same page everyday, using the same computer. Well, maybe even the same ads showing.
It will make him rich for a while, but maybe after few months, there will be a new thread showing up that says invalid click but nothing fraudelent was done by the webmaster ownself.
I would love to have a feature in my AdSense account to list the websites I'm responsible from. So that I will only be paid for click-thrus generated from the sites listed there and noone can make me look bad in Google's eyes by playing with my code around.
That's an interesting idea, but it would it really change anything? Couldn't someone who's trying to make you look bad just do a click attack on the sites that you do own?
Side note: Trying to eliminate "competitors" through juvenile and dishonest behavior is stupid, because AdSense isn't a zero-sum game. Does NYTimes.com try to knock off Washingtonpost.com? Of course not. The best way to make money with AdSense is to spend your time creating content that attracts AdSense ads and users.
Do you run adsense sites?
Sticky me your URL's so I can click on your ad's.
Why are some people so damn lazy or thick that they need to destroy someone elses hard work in order to succeed?
Do you not have the brains or the skill required to make a successful website?
Yay! Kill all the competition. You WILL be No.1
Ska
Haha. I guess not. As for me, i will purposely subscribe to a dial up isp with a static i.p. and click on the ads on the same page everyday, using the same computer. Well, maybe even the same ads showing.
BTW There is a clever little thing that google does to stop you doing that. It records your ip and prevents any more clicks building up after your first.
Sit there and click all day long if you like. It'll make no difference except make you look even more stupid.
Ska
In other threads someone once questioned why you would self-report suspected fraudulent activity to Adsense. This is why. Just trying to create a history of cooperation.
ska_demon, they're also against this action.(or seem to be so)
That's as maybe.
It sounds to me a little too much like they are looking for ways to beat the competition without doing much work.
Apologies if I have jumped to the wrong conclusion. I have re-read this thread and it still sounds dodgy to me.
Ska
If you were able to prove you lost Google AdSense revenue due to losing your account due to "racketeering"... then you could possibly expect a judge to award you double or triple damages.
Sirkei and Chiboy
Do you run adsense sites?
Yes. i do run adsense sites.
BTW There is a clever little thing that google does to stop you doing that. It records your ip and prevents any more clicks building up after your first.
No. I guess google will not block the i.p. Google may be suspicious of these repeating clicking but they may never block the i.p. What if i am just a normal user and i like the site a lot or even the ads a lot. So does that mean if i keep visiting the site daily, my i.p. will be blocked? I doubt that.
How do the daily visitors to your sites generate revenue for you? Do you think you are getting only new visitors? No repeating visitors? I have a site which i get many repeating visitors and not much new visitors because contents are generated from the forum. And how do i generate revenue with that site? Answer - repeating visitors clicking on the ads. I am not sure whether they are clicking on the same ads or different ones but for sure, they are clicking on the ads with the same unique i.p.
ska_demon, they're also against this action.(or seem to be so) They were giving examples.
Note that I am not against this action. I am not supporting this action either. After all, this is not my problem. This is google's problem to find out cheaters. I am only discussing this problem in a professional webmaster's way.
Do you think that cheaters will stop cheating if you keep blaming them? I guess not. This is a black and white world. There will be honest webmasters and dishonest webmasters everywhere.
Maybe Jenstar knows something?
Ska
