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LittleX

11:44 pm on Aug 17, 2020 (gmt 0)

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If you search for Google Adsense alternatives you will find exactly the same article on dozens of websites which is obviously totally okay for Google. You can also run one of 500 clones of exactly same 'news' website with 30+ ads where the only difference is a slightly different header of the same theme, but if I want to write about interesting facts about animals, people, nature, places, etc (original texts - plagiarism checked), with bounce rate only around 18%, that's not good enough.

I asked why is google rejecting me on their support forum and I was told that can't write about interesting facts because nobody can't create facts, so I had to take those facts from somewhere...

I probably can't share the URL here, but I was told by several people they like the concept, website design, etc, but I will probably have to kill it because what's the point if I am not able to monetize it.

Any suggestions on what to do? Any decent Google Alternatives?

Thanks.

tangor

4:37 am on Sep 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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CMS or static ... that's just method/tool.

Without content one does not have much of anything. G looks for value, something that users want to see/find. Advertisers want NUMBERS and without those, you have no pull for advertising/income.

We don't really talk about niches or content, and certainly never self-promotion, but we do talk about niches that g has announced deprecaton or outright bans (as reported by g!). Yet it all comes back to having content of SOME KIND that SOME USERS will find of value, and if the number of users who find that of value becomes significant then advertisers/g will make that happen ... though getting wealthy overnight is never going to happen easy or as quickly as it did back in the late 1990's or early 2000s.

Side note: politics is probably not a good fit with any se these days, or at least not until the first of next year!

futureautomation

4:32 pm on Sep 3, 2020 (gmt 0)



I saw a few law sites that had ads on their pages, erm, I don't know really. Politics depends on what it is about, it could be to do with policies or particular departments.

The site I had just explained about the robot in the film, the details, who designed it, the ups and downs, it added up to about four pages of content, the other page was just privacy. There were no images, it was just a paragraphs of describing the film's character, and that was that, pretty static.

I had an email address at the bottom, with contact next to it.

futureautomation

4:33 pm on Sep 3, 2020 (gmt 0)



Of course, my aim would of been to earn perhaps $10 a week.

LittleX

8:35 am on Sep 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Hello again,

I see this discussion is still active even without me. I had some health issues and I had to take a break for a few days.

LittleX

11:00 am on Sep 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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btw. I thought I will try it again with Google Adsense and re-applied and to my very surprise, I was finally approved, but I got excited way too soon because I don't see any ads on my website anyway, just blank spaces even after hours.

I don't know if this is normal or not. When I was using Google Adsense before, I don't think I had this issue. Is this normal? :(

not2easy

11:44 am on Sep 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I hope you're feeling better, your news is good!

About no ads- It can take time, even after approval. Have you uploaded an ads.txt file? The Media-Partners Bot will want to see that about 5000 times before they decide which ads to offer.

If you have not added it yet, it can save time to use the search feature here to read up on 'ads.txt' ;)

JorgeV

12:31 pm on Sep 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

Don't expect 100% coverage, like in the old good days. Today, things are much more complex.

First of all, YOU do not see ads, but your visitors might see them. Ads display is extremely targeted today, based on the profile of each single visitor. So, Adsense might not have ads for you, but might show ads to others.

That being said, for EACH single page :

- A human without ad blocker and with javascript enabled, has to visit the page, (it can be you, it can be someone else, I assume that Adsense is not really counting publishers)

- THEN , Media-Partners bot will visit THIS page, "some times later"

- THEN, THIS page will be checked, to verif if it complies with Adsense's TOS, especially looking for unauthorized content.

- If THIS page is OK, then Adsense will start to server ads on THIS page to the next human visitors IF there is an inventory available for a given visitor.

LittleX

2:52 pm on Sep 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Thank you not2easy and JorgeV.

It seems way more complicated now than when I was using Google Adsense. It's so complicated for the new publishers but they are not able to do anything with websites showing nothing but ads. I disabled Adblock on metro website and it was ridiculous.

Speaking about good news, I was just kicked out by my uni.

NickMNS

3:01 pm on Sep 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Speaking about good news, I was just kicked out by my uni.

How is that good news?

Oh wait, I get it...
You were just "Adsense publishing" to pay for University. Now you can get your dignity back.

explorador

3:39 pm on Sep 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@LittleX, welcome to WebmasterWorld. Sad that you got kicked out, hope you get the time to sort things out and see things from a diff angle regarding your website.

Can't really give you an opinion/answer directly to your question because it would involve actually looking at your website and reading your content, and even so we can't tell because it's about Google Standards, and Google Adsense methods, but FIRST, those two things might not be related. Google Search and penalties are not exactly in tune with Adsense (diff departments), but that doesn't mean something broken on search (penalty?) is not affecting Adsense decisions, and don't forget this things are highly automated.

Other than that I honestly believe the right direction is encouraging to read (again if you already did) the threads in this from about quality content, what is it and how to get there. Besides you mention there is people who like your content, that's fine but don't take people opinions for granted in this regard, some might not be entirely honest, and some while having all honesty and intentions, might not be accurate or precise to the matter. There is a lot of good advice in this forum spread in diff threads, I would suggest:

- Focus on quality original content
- Research if your writing style is conflicting
- Research, write, expand, correlate topics, and include links to authority sites
- CAREFUL with images, sources, links, credit, copyright, etc, people underestimate this
- Write, Build, GROW and then wait
- DON'T make it public or engage with Adsense or other programs unless your site IS a finished product

Consider this: don't think only about G Adsense. Making money out of a website is not as easy as in the past, but it's doable, even if G Adsense rejects you, it's possible that your content being liked by an audience can become profitable, Adsense after all is not a sign of quality website or profitability content. Many of us here (old forum members) started websites without ever thinking about the income from advertising programs, it was just a hobby, something we loved to write about and many of us grew into decent traffic websites that LATER became income sources with Adsense. Some of us have considered removing Adsense for a variety of reasons, some of our sites don't have it.

I would strongly suggest to focus on a website that can stand on its own without Adsense. Bananas? Can't tell you specifics on specific niches of your choice, but I can tell you websites about "banana diet and meals" could even become profitable just because you are good at writing and taking great pictures of bananas... and people want to hire you for the pictures or shooting photos of their stuff. A website is not only for advertising (not saying that's just your goal), what I mean is:

A website is really, a collection of several skills you can develop and tune, from writing, coding, graphic design and pictures, and all of those skills need to mean something nowadays. If someone becomes good at it... will probably get to places with advertising, or with each of those skills alone. I'm not underestimating your situation, just telling you to think outside the box (outside G box).

LittleX

3:40 pm on Sep 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@NickMNS Oh it's not, I was just ironically reflecting to not2easy...

I was trying to get a supportive income for my maintenance loan because I live in the north of nowhere and the reason why I live in the north of nowhere is that I was supposed to transfer my job here, but it didn't work out last September because they needed somebody full-time at that time. I was supposed to start from the new season in March, that also didn't work because they closed down all hostels because of the coronavirus, they were supposed to open this August but in August they decided to remain close until December. 
So I got behind with my rent and although I made payment agreement with my uni, they said they won't let me stay in halls this year, which means I will have no place to live

LittleX

7:49 am on Sep 5, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Thank you explorador, I really appreciate your intel.

I know what you mean by saying that people are not always honest when you asked them about their opinion and biased but based on the engagement and the bounce rate, I would say the website is not bad, plus I created a few websites in the past and I think you have no reason to believe it's not a professional website.

Regarding the content, I am trying to keep my articles engaging and entertaining enough and focusing on unusual things, I always do plagiarism checks on every article to make sure it's original and I am always using photos from trusted sources - royalty-free photos and videos, I know why are you saying this because I heard some nasty stories about using photos of somebody else without permission. As I said, I had a few people helping me to write articles and a few of them told me I included some pictures I took myself and feel free to use them... :D

I know Google is not the only option, but if you don't have a huge audience it's hard to find any decent alternatives because if they are decent, they do require lots of visitors per month, but I always thought Google Adsense is less restrictive about this and a decent option for new and smaller websites, but times are different now.

Anyway, I noticed I have ads on my website now, I think it could be also because of od ads.txt... I think ads started showing up when the warning about ads.net disappeared from my account.

Now just get paid :)

explorador

4:19 pm on Sep 5, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@LittleX, glad you are finally seeing ads on your site. There are times when any site will not show ads, be it for low inventory or for indexing issues (content indexing happens on Search and Adsense, diff areas, that goes as far as the last reading I made on the subject unless something changed). Anyway can't really talk about Google and yes there are tons of issues with double standards.

What I can talk about a bit is about content. Great you have original content, perform plagiarism checks and also shoot some pics yourself. Now let's talk BANANAS, content and readers, you used the word bananas as a reference about the kind of website and content you create, and explained the site is about banana facts (and some issues regarding scrapping), readers/bounce rate/engagement, then about monetizing. That's a good departure point, here is what I can share with you hoping it points you in a good direction:

Content and metrics can be tricky, you can get people telling you the content is great, but it doesn't get good positions or it doesn't engage users on clicking ads or buying stuff, that's something that needs lots of analyzing. No I don't know your content in detail, but the thing is, SPECIALLY ABOUT FACTS, the content might fall in the category of RESEARCH. And then you can get people searching, clicking on your website and reading 1, 5, 10 pages showing great engagement, but just on reading. This sort of things can be common around academic stuff, in general the content might not have the same potential on monetization compared to other topics, so that's when the metrics can show many positive sides on diff areas but not on monetizing.

Many specifics are not allowed on the forum but I don't see any issues on sharing the following as a nice example. "The guy that knits"; knitting has shown positive impact on anxiety, depression and panic issues (that's a comparable example about facts), the thing is there is this guy who started knitting to easy his anxiety during university (as far as I remember) and got people engaging with his publications, and interestingly got people also wanting to buy his stuff. I came across an interview a few years ago and out of curiosity there were very little publications about knitting and anxiety back then, not as much as you can find today. But the point of the example is how some content can be specific, around facts or research, and also as something practical the author is involved with (creating and also getting some opportunities on selling).

Creating quality content is a difficult task, specially content that sells. Ideally, it's about creating content that has a related market and thus the inventory of ads is already there, and more than ideal: if you are involved and you can produce and sell some of it as a product of service. Just my two cents.

caran1

1:53 am on Sep 7, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Other than website quality there are other factors which determine whether your website, adsense application is accepted or rejected . There are other ad networks which you can use.

LittleX

12:57 pm on Sep 7, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@explorador. Well, I was trying to do something old but with a different approach. I wanted to share some interesting facts mostly about animals that people usually don't know. For example, when you google what is the fastest mammal, it will tell you it's a cheetah, but it's not true because it's a bat.

I also implemented 'gamification' system that will reward registered users for a variety of activities on the site. For example, you can easily submit your own facts and you will get beans for it. You can also collect beans for a variety of different activities, including reading articles, leaving comments, sharing them, completing quizzes, etc. and the point of collecting beans is that you can 'transfer' them to nominated animal sanctuaries and shelters nominated by people, it was supposed to be a share of ad revenue in case it would actually make any revenue... I think it's an unusual concept, but ...

I redeemed two promotional offer from bing and google ads to get some traffic, you get £150 when you spent £40. When I was setting up Google Ads I just created one ad, set up a daily budget to £5 and went to sleep, thinking there unusually very limited options, but I thought I will have more options after approval process :D
Yeah, no really... you have to switch to advanced mode and it ate my £5 instantly and I got 3 visitors :D

Well, I will see after some time if there is any point to keep this project alive or not.
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