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Jon12345

3:42 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Am I correct in thinking that Google now allows you 3 blocks of adverts?

If so, do I just use the same Adsense code or do I need 3 different lots (perhaps with 3 different channels)?

taps

3:49 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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afaik three blocks are ok for google. And I think all three can have the same code.

You should watch your CPM carefully -- sometimes less blocks bring better CPM and more money because Adsense delivers more valuable ads if you use only one or two blocks.

HitProf

3:51 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, up to 3 blocks allowed. You can use the same code or try another (shape, color, channel, whatever). Don't forget to change the alt url if you change the shape. You ctr will probably drop but thats normal (more links tot choose from).

HitProf

3:53 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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taps that's not the reason why the cpm drops. A page with 3 blocks counts as 3 impressions. If you attract twice as many clicks, your cpm can still drop. What counts is your bottom line.

diamondgrl

3:57 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You do not need 3 different channels but you would be unwise not to use them so you can gauge effectiveness.

It's very very important to do a carefully controlled test of whether 3 actually helps versus 1. In many, if not most, instances, it actually hurts earnings because you "downsell", getting users to click on a lower EPC ad.

Jon12345

4:01 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Does it matter if your cpm drops? Does that have an impact on anything?

taps

4:36 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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HitProf: Your are right. I should rephrase that: The value of the ads might raise so that they bring more money in total.

In my case I make more money with less ads on the page.

fdmaster

4:43 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've given a try to 3 and 2 blocks on the same page earlier and in my case all those experiments only hurt my bottom line. Your milage may vary of course.

I see a number very important reasons why it is better to have no more than 1 block:

1. CTR will drop significantly because you double or even triple impressions while clicks increase insignificantly. There is theory that high CTR will affect smart pricing so that higher CTR will cause higher CPC.

2. Lower blocks will have less paying ads and part of clicks which otherwise would go to high paying advertisers will go to lower paying ones. This will hurt you CPC and CPM.

3. By limiting amount of adspace given to AdSense publishers overall encourage bidding war for top spots among advertisers. Just like OPEC keeps the West on short leash :)

However, multiply Blocks may be to the benefit of publisher in cases when you use 3 well placed one-ad blocks in right places on the page instead of one leaderboard, for example.

[edited by: fdmaster at 5:00 pm (utc) on Nov. 30, 2004]

europeforvisitors

4:46 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)



Does it matter if your cpm drops? Does that have an impact on anything?

CPM shows how much money you're making for every 1,000 impressions. So yes, it's important (more so than EPC, for example), but the "your earnings" column is the number that matters most when you're paying for housing and groceries. :-)

level80

7:10 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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but the "your earnings" column is the number that matters most when you're paying for housing and groceries. :-)

Some of us have other sources of income to pay for the latter. Also if you're working from home and use a room just for that (as most of us webmasters are) part of the housing cost can be written off against tax as a business expense. Course I think if you wrote off groceries you ate while working as a business expense they might start complaining about that. *grins*

Clark

8:17 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In many, if not most, instances, it actually hurts earnings because you "downsell", getting users to click on a lower EPC ad.

I had that theory too. But after testing, the exact opposite was true.

diamondgrl

1:46 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In many, if not most, instances, it actually hurts earnings because you "downsell", getting users to click on a lower EPC ad.


I had that theory too. But after testing, the exact opposite was true.

In your case it may have been. I've tested it in a particular circumstance and downselling was exactly what happened. I had a carefully controlled test and waited for statistically significant results.

I would urge you to review carefully whether your test was controlled adequately and whether you had a statistically significant sample. My first day of testing led me to believe I might get a large increase by running three ads but when I had a statistically significant sample, the results were unambiguously negative.

Palehorse

3:38 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have found across many sites that more ads are better by a long shot.

;)

HughMungus

4:17 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Good advice, Taps. I've found that if I have a two-ad middle-of-the-page block that I get two ads there and zero in the other two right-side skyscraper blocks. If I don't have two-ad-blocks, I get 5-10 different ads in the right-side skyscraper blocks.