Working Together

are there other ways?

[J_Evans]

I'vd got to say that I believe most of us here really appreciate all of the help that we give each other in the pursuit of better, profitable and more efficient websites. But as I sit here and think about the struggles that my own site is having or has had and reading about the struggles that others feel they are having I think that there maybe more that we can do to help each other. And no I am not talking about a "package" where we take from some to give to others. I am talking about maybe we can come up with some different ideas that benefit all of us that we can share. Some of us of course are more well seasoned in the website area than others but I feel that everyone who is here reading should have some good input as they are part of the internet system which is of course something that we are all a part of with our sites. I don't know how many of us there are but surely several heads working together are better than all of us going it alone. Just a note to see if I can get some of us thinking along these lines as to ideas that we may share.

[edited by: J_Evans at 11:43 pm (utc) on Feb. 20, 2009]

[anallawalla]

I read your post a couple of times but still don't understand what you are saying.

Every day, hundreds of members are posting questions and are getting good responses. I see that as "working together". If you are thinking of something else, please check the charter [webmasterworld.com].

People with sites that make day-job-killing AdSense revenues will either not help others who could be competitors, or more likely, their formula cannot be replicated by a newcomer. I know the "secrets" of some sites, but I will not take the risk to build such a site, as it takes a lot of time and money and the risk of failure is greater. In my limited time I just focus on building original content and watch the traffic grow. I add AdSense code much later.

[tangor]

I'm sorry, this "can we all get along" and "can I pick your brains" is old hat. Nobody going gangbusters is going to do more than cheerlead, and maybe correct a misconception or two. MAJOR secrets will NOT BE SHARED, but MAJOR MISUNDERSTANDINGS WILL BE SHOT DOWN. Read between the lines and go from there.

[alephh]

Add to the mix the fact that websites are different in so many ways that what works for you doesn't work for me.

Traffic can be different: nerds are less likely to click than those coming to your site with search terms "I absolutely want to buy product X now and immediately, thank you".

Websites can be different: product-sites vs information sites vs directories.

Design: ad-sizes/colors that work for me doesn't work for you.

Do you really want to share your topic/secrets/data and have 1000 more competitors in 24 hours?

And, tips that work for me, can kill you. Even if you want to help, you may decrease someone's earnings.

Considering all that: It's difficult to create any universal "let's work together intensively 8 hours per day environment/spirit."

[dawnstar]

Each must take their own road to reach enlightenment.
</mysticism>

lol... Don’t want to seem sarcastic, but it’s true.

[explorador]

I think this forum is the response to your post (in many ways). Yes, we all feel there is more we can do for each other but just as the "market" finds its own balance, this forum has found its own balance too...

Help is limited by the laziness of some who refuse to study and research, also limited by the great effort others have made to find out the answers (and is not right to ask for the solution just like that or just give it away). Also, I think other "solution on getting along" would end up like this forum, limited by rules that make sense to avoid this becoming a spammy market.

Also, as said above, some "help" means feeding your competitor... anyway, I have found great help for me and for others here, I'm not an expert but I also share what I can.

(which goes along with your post: not only asking, but returning something of value to the community)

[ArtistMike]

MAJOR secrets will NOT BE SHARED
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That is the major flaw with all online free forums. If you are looking for the "magic bullet" on how to make money with AdSense you will not find it in a forum such as this one.

[buckworks]

That's not a flaw, that's just a fact of life.

[alephh]

MAJOR secrets will NOT BE SHARED

That is the major flaw with all online free forums.

That's not a flaw, that's just a fact of life.

LOL

[ken_b]

Pretty much everything you need to know to make a pile of cash with AdSense, except the actual AdSense TOS and Policies, can be found in this forum, as far as AdSense itself is concerned.

You may have to dig through a bunch of threads, old and new, and read between the lines a bit, but all info that is needed is here.

You do need to have a good handle on the AdSense TOS and Policies to do it right.

You still need to be up to snuff on things like traffic building and site design etc. But enough of that info can e found in other parts of WebmasterWorld too.

You just have to look for it.

A decent topic, high quality relevant traffic, and a nice look at the heat map help a lot.

A "decent topic" doesn't have to be a high paying niche. You can make a very respectable living in the $0.05 - $0.20 cent EPC range, if you have enough high quality relevant traffic.

While you're digging through the old threads looking for tips, be sure to read some of the longer "I was banned" threads, lots of good ideas of what NOT to do in those.

[moTi]

surely several heads working together are better than all of us going it alone.

not my philosophy. i love working alone. no stressful discussions, i can do what i want 100 percent. i'm not a team player.
apart from that, there is an optimal number of team members to get the work done efficiently - with a common objective function. this number is two to three persons mostly. astonishingly low.

[koan]

be sure to read some of the longer "I was banned" threads, lots of good ideas of what NOT to do in those.

So make sure to do something, because everyone who gets banned say "I haven't done anything".

[J_Evans]

I think that everyone that reads here is working at making themselves and their site better. Everyone that participates either in the form of asking questions or in the form of answers adn thoughts. I agree that this forum is a great way of helping each other. I am not looking for a "free" ride or suggesting anything like that. I was just trying to provoke some thought. My feeling is that we are not all completing against each other and even if you have that feeling if I can make your results 10% better and your competitors results 10% better wouldn't you consider it. His gain may not come completely at your cost. Just a thought.

[AdSenseAdvisor]

I'm all for you guys talking about how to make your sites more attractive to advertisers (as long as you're not violating program policies [google.com], of course).

As I mentioned before, I've been working more on advertisers lately and understanding their needs on the Google Content Network. I think you guys are less in competition than you might think. Lots of advertisers are telling us that they want more inventory on the Content Network that performs well for them. It's not a zero-sum game.

The AdSense team wants to work with you (and wants you to work together) to grow the pie by providing value to advertisers.

ASA

[vordmeister]

Lots of advertisers are telling us that they want more inventory on the Content Network that performs well for them.

They weren't implying they want less that doesn't perform well, but just saying it in a polite way?

Good on you for working to understand the advertisers' needs - it's the key, and I'm all for the content network being adjusted to suit advertisers. It's been said more than once on here that us publishers should keep an eye on the Adwords forum. Some good stuff on there.

[AdSenseAdvisor]

I also hear there's great stuff happening in the AdWords forum. Then again, I hear it from AWA, so the information I'm getting might be a bit biased. :)

ASA