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Google's Promote, Remove. and impact on AdSense

Will it impact AdSense revenues for publishers?

   
11:05 pm on Dec 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I've been reading a lot of opinions on the future use of Google's new Promote, Remove, Add & Comment features on search results.

Some think it's a good thing and others see lots of potential for abuse. Either way, if you rely heavily on organic traffic from Google to fuel your AdSense impressions, you probably will want to stay up to speed on this experiment.

Could this be the beginning of the end of search rankings as we now know them? Should we start discussing other means of getting traffic for AdSense purposes or from an AdSense perspective?

Also, wouldn't it be great if publishers could see a list of ads that appear on our sites and rank as "Promote" or "Remove"?

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11:15 pm on Dec 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

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This feature only affects the serps of the person using it, not everyone else's. And those who use it are not likely to be ad clickers anyway.
11:39 pm on Dec 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

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This feature only affects the serps of the person using it, not everyone else's.

Do you really think that? I know that's what Google said but I see these features as some kind of vote, one more stat to consider in the algo...

11:46 pm on Dec 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

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This feature only affects the serps of the person using it, not everyone else's

What about a single computer used by many people?

Plus, I can already see people going around searching on every computer they come across and clicking "remove" by a competitor's search results. It might not impact rankings as Google says, but wouldn't that remove the result from others who use the computer in the future?

And those who use it are not likely to be ad clickers anyway.

I can see where it might be just the opposite. Someone who notices those icons and clicks on them might be more likely to notice and click on an ad.

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12:37 am on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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...that's what Google said but...

I concede that if they are in fact evil they would lie. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one, and then we'll never really know anyway. If it's a vote, it would be good for me because I don't rely on SEO or other manipulation--people do like my site.

Someone who notices those icons and clicks on them might be more likely to notice and click on an ad.

Not my experience, visitors who notice my content or who are at all perceptive are seldom clickers, most clickers are the froth, the impulsive. You're entitled to your opinion and your experience, ad placement and content may be different.

[edited by: OnlyToday at 12:46 am (utc) on Dec. 18, 2008]

7:27 am on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If it only affects one person, why does it say "You're the first person to pick this result"?
7:33 am on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I can already see people going around searching on every computer they come across and clicking "remove" by a competitor's search results.

Doesn't it only remove the entry for the person who removed it, when you're logged into Google as that person? So, doing this on a public computer wouldn't gain you anything...

If it only affects one person, why does it say "You're the first person to pick this result"?

Google could keep cumulative user's stats on a link without having these stats affect the public SERPs. I know, as I say it, I don't believe me either.

7:53 am on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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What about a single computer used by many people?

You need to login into gmail account before you see up and down arrows. Are you suggesting that someone will leave her gmail account open all the time on a single shared computer? I don't think so. Google is pretty good at detecting this kind of abuses.

Plus, I can already see people going around searching on every computer they come across and clicking "remove" by a competitor's search results. It might not impact rankings as Google says, but wouldn't that remove the result from others who use the computer in the future?

What if you get millions of searches everymonth? Not possible and not worth my time, if I'm your competitor; I will focus on building quality content instead of wasting my time with up and down arrows.

The only defense against this kind of stuff is:
1) Build a strong brand image
2) Build a strong userbases, especially fans. More fans == more traffic from their blogs and social media.

2:33 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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You need to login into gmail account before you see up and down arrows.

Are you sure about that? Not only am I not logged in when I search, I don't even have a gmail account, and I see the arrows by the search results.

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2:43 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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You need to login into gmail account before you see up and down arrows.

Are you sure about that?

I see up and down arrows and do not have (or want) a gmail account.

Doesn't it only remove the entry for the person who removed it, when you're logged into Google as that person?

I have never needed to "log into google" to use their search.

3:10 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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From Google:
SearchWiki lets you customize your Google Web Search results by ranking, removing, and adding notes to them. You'll see your changes whenever you do the same searches while signed in to your Google Account, or until you decide to undo them.

If you just have a trust issue with Google it's already too late, they know everything about you and you can't escape that. I don't believe that they would initially institute a new program with a hidden agenda though it's always possible that collected data could be used in the future for yet unforseen purposes.

3:26 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)



Could this be the beginning of the end of search rankings as we now know them?

Search is Google's core business, so it seems unlikely that they'd hand over control of their SERPs to users and SEOs.

Also, wouldn't it be great if publishers could see a list of ads that appear on our sites and rank as "Promote" or "Remove"?

Sounds like a lot of work. Google might prefer that publishers spend their time building new pages (a.k.a. more places where Google can display ads).

3:35 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Google must be tracking you using cookies. I never login to gmail account... here is my screenshot
[i42.tinypic.com...]

Clean your cookie and try again! Or may be you have turned on google Experimental features. Just visit [google.com...] here and turn it off. But this is not displayed by default for sure.

3:53 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I view "search rankings" as being pretty much over now anyway. It's too subjective, there are too many factors. What does ranking #1 even mean? I might rank #1 for something if I'm logged in, and #28 if I'm not, but since one of my sites is mostly Michigan based, someone over in California might not see it at all. I've been following a specific one word search term for about eight months now, tracking and graphing where I rank for it every day; mainly out of curiosity. It's not a term I even *should* rank for, because it's too generic, and I've bounced around between #3 and #350 for it since April. Yesterday I was at #130, today I'm at #21. (I never check while logged in to Google) So when things can jump around like that, what does ranking even *mean*?

It's time (for me at least) to think in terms of traffic, not in terms of rankings. Now I just have to bring some of my clients around to that point of view as well.

(I believe Google when they say that Search Wiki isn't going to influence search results - *for now*. I also believe it would be extremely naive to think they aren't somehow going to find a use for that information in the future)

7:51 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I see up and down arrows and do not have (or want) a gmail account. I have never needed to "log into google" to use their search.

We're all Adsense users here, aren't we? You may not be logged into Google with a Gmail account, but if you're logged into the Adsense console with any address, it's likely you'd also see the personal SERP features...

8:22 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I only see the SearchWiki stuff when I'm logged in to a Google Account.
9:08 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I know, as I say it, I don't believe me either.
Ahahaha! Good one; caught me by surprise. Thx, I needed that Fred.

It's time (for me at least) to think in terms of traffic, not in terms of rankings.
Forward to the Past!

9:11 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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...if you're logged into the Adsense console with any address, it's likely you'd also see the personal SERP features...

That's probably it. I log off of my Google account often to use third-party software with it and in particular to avoid coloring the results with my own profile, and I've never seen the SearchWiki icons when logged-off. I'd notice because that would affect the results, how much only Google knows.

9:34 pm on Dec 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

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We're all Adsense users here, aren't we?

yes

You may not be logged into Google with a Gmail account, but if you're logged into the Adsense console with any address

That's assuming that I have logged onto my adsense account before doing any searches.

2:41 am on Dec 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Actually, to be precise, my statement didn't assume anything. I said IF you're logged in...

However, you are aware (I AM assuming now) that Adsense can keep you logged in across browser sessions (as himalayaswater pointed out above). So, you may not have logged in today, but it's possible you still may be logged in from yesterday...

2:46 am on Dec 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

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but it's possible you still may be logged in from yesterday...

I don't logon to adsense from this PC, so no.

6:46 am on Dec 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Well... I confirm: I see the SearchWiki when I'm logged into iGoogle and/or Google Adsense. If I click on Sign Out, it goes completely away.
7:01 am on Dec 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Must be a local quantum event, Lame_Wolf.
 

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