Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 34.204.171.108

Forum Moderators: martinibuster

Message Too Old, No Replies

Forward Projection For AS Revenue

     
10:44 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:July 15, 2007
posts:36
votes: 0


I'm currently following Brett's 'successful site in 12 months with Google Alone' and it's going quite well, One quarter of the way through I'm on target to complete within the prescribed 12 months.

I'm trying to make a projection on the potential AS revenue based on the stats that I have so far. All of my pages are similar, 500-word original articles.

So does it follow that if x number of pages are indexed in Google, giving an average of $y per day, that 2x = 2y? Or doesn't it work like that?

I'm hoping that the sum of the whole is greater than the individual parts, in other words, is the increase likely to be exponential?

11:26 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Mar 30, 2004
posts:1148
votes: 0


Well,

No one can tell you exactly and there is no formula like a = b - c = xyz, rather the best thing you can do in my books is to think about how much traffic you are getting and look at your CPM - make a traffic projection and then look at your current CPM and try and work it out that way.

I think thats a semi good way of trying to project earnings.

11:47 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Nov 27, 2003
posts: 1648
votes: 2


2x = 2y?

Mostly - what you have to factor in is that a niche has a limit: the advertisers are only putting in so many dollars (admittedly, there is the odd niche where the limit is stratospheirc :))
So, if you reach the limit for that niche then you can't get more out of it.
Not very often that happens - mostly you can expect a linear increase.
But bear in mind that this is an average increase - you will still have up days and down days, up months and down months.
When you look back you should see a smooth increasing curve of return if you have smooth increasing curve of content creation.

1:22 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

joined:June 3, 2007
posts:6024
votes: 0


giving an average of $y per day, that 2x = 2y? Or doesn't it work like that?

No it does not. I have 3X the unique & relevant pages of a year ago and my overall earnings are actually less because not every page is "equal in earnings" but also Google has Glitches!

Some may say this does not occur however, believe me, it does.

And then there are, of course, your visitors who may or may not be interested in ANY ad and especially so IF the ad copy is very poorly written and about as compelling as smelly socks!

There are no guarantees with AdSense although YMMV:-)

2:09 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:June 18, 2005
posts:1868
votes: 90


is the increase likely to be exponential

Not exponential, for sure (this isn't an nuclear reaction). Linear... if you're really lucky, it depends on the niche. From my experience though, the growth is decelerating.. meaning if you have 2X the traffic, you'll get 1.5X the revenue, and so on.

2:42 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from US 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member ken_b is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Oct 5, 2001
posts:5893
votes: 120


Forward projections for AdSense income are a real shot in the dark in my experience.

Traffic sources and visitor intent are very important. Getting more traffic won't help, and might even hurt, if the visitors are not interested in the ads. The worst case may be when visitors are not seriously interested in what the ads offer, but are still curious enough to click the ads. That might well end up in your site being Smart Priced downward.

The thing is, you might be able to influence traffic sources, it's harder to influence visitor intent, at least from the organic search results. That's because you can't change the way people search very easily, if at all. So you end up with the equivalent of window shoppers, when you really want plain old shoppers. Too many window shoppers in the mix can affect income.

3:09 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member bigdave is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Nov 19, 2002
posts:3454
votes: 0


Don't bother trying to project revenue or traffic. It's a hopeless cause.

One page that you think will do incredibly well might be lucky to draw 20 visitors a year. Another might hit the sweet spot for search engines, visitors and advertisers, making more than all your other pages combined.

You simply can't predict these things. All you can do is keep producing quality, useful content and hoping for the best.

4:09 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Apr 26, 2006
posts:1397
votes: 0


I guess we all wonder or calculate our projected Adsense income. Competition is the key issue to projections.

You're developing your site. What are your competitors doing?

Adding content will often help but after a while--weeks/months/years--you can hit a wall. Where it seems even if you add anything, it's not going to boost your SERPs or increase your revenue. That's where I'm at now.

You may be able to double your site and double your income but eventually you can expect to plateau.

Some publishers see great volatility in their income. Mine has been very consistent--about as consistent in recent months as a regular paycheck. It's kind of boring, but consistency is good.

It's easier to have the stability if your site(s) are visited from many different keywords. It's the same principle of not putting all your eggs in one basket. Don't be dependent on one big keyword or a few hot phrases.

Google Analytics for example shows last month one of my sites was found via 42,000+ keywords (keyword combinations, one word and various phrases).

p/g

7:18 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Full Member

10+ Year Member

joined:May 19, 2004
posts:235
votes: 0


Short answer is you'll need history and first hand experience with all sorts of events like changes to the Google algo, smart pricing, the stuff mentioned above etc.

"is the increase likely to be exponential"

In my epxerience yes, but not in the way you may hope. I am seeing decay in CPC which is exponential (there are lots of different exponential curve shapes), but traffic and content is up, so the answer is not so clear.

See this too:

[webmasterworld.com...]

7:23 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:July 15, 2007
posts:36
votes: 0


Thank you for your thoughts on this. I'm not too concerned about running out of advertisers as the site topic is mainstream, no niche involved.

I wasn't asking for specifc formulae, that would have been foolish, just a general overview. I mean, there must be some underlying principle, otherwise there is no point in Brett's original "Google Alone" post.

7:42 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:July 15, 2007
posts:36
votes: 0


I just realised that my example formula of 2x = 2y is nonesense. What I meant to ask was whether it was reasonable to expect the current ratio of y to x to continue as my website grows, or should I expect y to be less/more.
9:51 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:May 9, 2007
posts:1362
votes: 0


In my experience, more traffic is not valued the same, i.e. when

adviews * ctr * epc = revenue

and traffic growth happens, then the result will be more like

X * adviews * ctr * epc = Y * revenue

with 1 <= Y < X, in other words: doubling the traffic will NOT double your revenue.

12:39 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:July 15, 2007
posts:36
votes: 0


Oh dear! Looking at the responses then, it seems that the most likely occurrence is a series of diminishing returns. In that case, would it be better to draw a line underneath the project when I get to - say - 200 pages and then write the next 200 articles for a completely different site focussing on a completely different topic?

In a way that seems a more secure way of proceeding becuase all of the eggs would not be one basket.

1:22 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

joined:June 3, 2007
posts:6024
votes: 0


In that case, would it be better to draw a line underneath the project when I get to - say - 200 pages and then write the next 200 articles for a completely different site focussing on a completely different topic?

Possibly but who knows which are the best subjects to write about and derive AdSense earnings?

Your first subject may be good and your second one even better, then again it may be worse, there are no guarantees, you must write about something that interests you and of which you have a sound knowledge.

This month I launched a new part of my directory web site, it is a Coppermine image gallery with about 1,000 representative trade images in it. I added this simply for users' convenience and have about another 2,000 images to add.

What's shocked me is that this gallery is now averaging 2,000+ page impressions per day after only a couple of weeks and averaging USD 5.00 per day.

This has been a very welcome surprise and has set me thinking about other ideas now...will they work? Heavens knows!

1:35 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:July 15, 2007
posts:36
votes: 0


Yes, good points Huskypup. I have considered other options for my current site but as a relative newb I'm not sure of the best way forward. Everybody says that quality original content is the key but when that avenue has reached critical mass surely other options should be considered?

As for writing on a topic that interests me I don't believe that is crucial. The one thing I can do very well is write, the only drawback being that I don't particularly enjoy it, but if it is the way forward then I will do it, as my motivation for success is greater than my dislike of writing.

Where did you get your images from your gallery? If they are not your own, aren't there copywrite issues?

1:48 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member swa66 is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Aug 7, 2003
posts:4783
votes: 0


A lot will depend on the niche you play.

There are niches that one publisher can 'eat up' in under a day, once you pass the point, you get the crap ads, MFAs, and the worst of the scum. I try to make sure I do not use up the ads in my niche by not sending as much as I could to adsense till there are decent measures against the scammers on the adwords side.

It might mean short term less income, but I see it long term: the scams make me look bad (part of the scam) and make my visitors less likely to return to me.

Most of your income nonetheless depends on traffic you get and attention of the world at large to your niche, if you find mass media interest in your niche, you can easily get a 10 fold increase in revenue with only a 5 fold increase in traffic.

2:23 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Preferred Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Sept 28, 2007
posts:487
votes: 0


As a general rule more traffic, more pages (same quality as before) means higher income, though the growth is not linear.
5:05 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member bigdave is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Nov 19, 2002
posts:3454
votes: 0


Brett's article wasn't about success with Google AdSense, it was about success with Google Search. That success will only get you the "impressions" part of the AdSense equation.
7:08 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:July 15, 2007
posts:36
votes: 0


Yes, you're quite right BigDave, but I choose to monetize my site by using AS, hence the query in the OP.
8:27 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member bigdave is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Nov 19, 2002
posts:3454
votes: 0


But I was pointing out that there was, in fact, a purpose to Brett's "Google alone" post that has nothing to do with your success or or failure in AdSense.