My Page via a Frameset

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My Page via a Frameset

What are they trying to do?

BillyS

3:36 am on Dec 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't get it, someone is serving one of my pages from within a frameset.

<!DOCTYPE html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Title of Page Here</TITLE></HEAD>
<FRAMESET><FRAME name="main" src="http://www.my-site.tld/My-Page-Here/" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="auto" frameborder="0"></FRAMESET></HTML>

The title of their domain is exactly the same as the name of my page. I noticed it because I'm seeing the referals. It looks like my Adsense on the page. What are they trying to do? Should I report this to Google?

ann

4:25 am on Dec 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

Have you tried the break out of frames script?

Ann

chrisv1963

1:30 pm on Dec 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

Instead of reporting it to Google I think it would be better to do something about it and add a script to your pages to automatically break out of frames.
Search for "framebuster" to find such scripts.

ann

6:48 pm on Dec 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

This one keeps your back button function. Used it for years.

Ann

BillyS

2:13 am on Dec 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wrote the webmaster a polite note asking to remove my site. I also mentioned that I was going to follow up with a DMCA letter since I also consider this a copyright issue. They wrote me back saying they were conducting a test. Still the letter is already in the mail.

For thos of you using the frame buster approach. Is that "standard" code on all your sites or just placed there on an as-needed basis. (I do realize it is not a lot of code...).

icedowl

2:53 am on Dec 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

I consider it as standard code.

ann

3:44 am on Dec 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Me too. Ever since I caught Ask doing the same to my pages in their search.

Ann

jomaxx

5:06 am on Dec 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

I disagree that it's a copyright issue, and it will not cause confusion for Google. If it was me I'd put in the framebreaker Javascript code -- problem completely and instantly solved -- and be happy they're sending me the traffic.

BillyS

9:49 pm on Dec 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

I disagree that it's a copyright issue, and it will not cause confusion for Google. If it was me I'd put in the framebreaker Javascript code -- problem completely and instantly solved -- and be happy they're sending me the traffic.

It's my website appearing on a page that has a different URL. They didn't ask my permission to "steal" my bandwidth or "borrow" my website to conduct their test. This particular company alternated between my site and a MFA site.

And while you're certainly welcome to your opinion, as far as I'm concerned I don't want (or need) their traffic.

I thank those of you for the code suggestion. It will go in with our new 2008 design in early January (the offending site has already removed our page).

greatstart

11:16 pm on Dec 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Another method you can do to prevent a site that's framing you, is to block that URL using your .htaccess file. Here's an example of the code:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http(s)?://(www\.)?offending-site.com.*$ [NC]
RewriteRule .* - [F,L]

or you can forward that offending site to anther URL:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http(s)?://(www\.)?offending-site.com.*$ [NC]
RewriteRule .* another-url.com [L]

I've been using this code for a year now, and it works very well.

ken_b

7:21 pm on May 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

I tried the code posted by Ann and it works great.

But I have a question about frame breakers in general.

To make testing the code easy I put it on a page I knew I could find a reference to in Google Image search.

What I noticed was an ever so brief opening of the page in the Google Image search frame before the frame was broken and the page opened directly from my site.

Is that going to result in two "pageviews" in my stats?

wyweb

7:49 pm on May 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

It shouldn't. Presumably the frame buster is the head of your page. The browser executes it the instant it sees it, which would be long before it sees anything else. "Long" being a relative term, of course.

ken_b

8:29 pm on May 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks. I did put the frame breaker code as the last entry before the </head> tag.

bumpski

9:57 am on May 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

BE FOREWARNED:

I don't know if this is true today, but historically frame buster code kicked websites right out of the Yahoo Images database!

Some old timers here may remember.

I repeat, I don't know if this is true today.

wyweb

12:13 pm on May 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't know if this is true today, but historically frame buster code kicked websites right out of the Yahoo Images database!

I'm not overly pleased about having my images in anybodys database.

swa66

12:13 pm on May 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

Do we really care not getting our images in the SERPs (are they used for anything but stealing them anyway?)

pageoneresults

12:41 pm on May 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

Do we really care not getting our images in the SERPs (are they used for anything but stealing them anyway?)

I do believe they are used for others things besides theft. Image search is another source of referrals.

I use the hidden frameset method quite a bit. We use it instead of taking the visitors offsite. We'll drop them into a frameset and keep them at our URI while they browse third party content. And yes, your stats remain intact as it is the content within the frameset itself that is being viewed, not the site that is hosting the frameset.

Yes, I know, many do not approve of this method and thats fine. When you have a small local business who represents a large manufacturer and they don't have the budget and/or manpower to set up an online catalog for themselves, a hidden frameset like this allows their visitors to view the catalog while remaining on the clients website.

HowYesNo

1:32 pm on May 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

framebuster is not good for image search if you want to earn some money from this traffic, google will remove your images when he finds that you use framebuster ;)

cgiscripts4u

2:52 pm on May 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think a bigger concern is not the fact of people using frames to show your content, but proxy servers. Many of whom disable javascript hence adsense ads by default.

In some cases pages viewed via so called proxy servers are also being listed in the serps so potentially costing you adsense traffic. At least with frames there is still a link to your site which in theory could help your serps ranking.

iridiax

5:39 pm on May 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

framebuster is not good for image search if you want to earn some money from this traffic, google will remove your images when he finds that you use framebuster ;)

I have been using ann's script for quite a while now, and my number of indexed images has increased in Google image search since then.