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noahukr

8:00 pm on Oct 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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ok i was reading and reading already 2 years maybe more in your great forums, i have learned a lot from here thanks guys, i was banned from google adsense the last year, 2 months ago i have rejoined the program thanks to god, i was banned because someone clicked so many times at my ads, now i dont wanna got banned again what i can do guys please :( i installed adlogger(this one seem no longer working after the july adsense updates how one mate said me) and google analytics but from some posts here its seem google wouldnt trust these, what i can do... :(
thanks guys

Quadrille

9:44 pm on Oct 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Don't tell your family and friends that you have Adsense.

It is conceivable that your enemies may do that to you. But in 99% of cases, it's friends and family (or self) who does the clicking.

Just don't tell 'em, then they can't 'accidentally' hurt you.

noahukr

2:59 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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and if they already know my websites, althoug its not they who banned me..

noahukr

11:16 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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why not google add an option to the adsense system like the adlogger do, i mean to hide the ads from someone who will click many times lets say 10 clicks per hour or i dont know, they can do that i think and its better than banning publishers

Quadrille

11:32 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Better for whom?

For every one publisher who gets a ban for 'accidentally' over clicking, I'll bet there's 25 where it was deliberate.

And that's fraud not only against Google, but against the advertiser who got clicked.

If Google goes gently, how many more would there be? Thousands.

Google has to keep client confidence by being Mr Tough Guy - and as you've proved, they can make exceptions.

noahukr

11:35 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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im not asking google to be gentle, they are losing millions and the advertisors too, im just aking why not to add a feature to hide the ads from bad people

Quadrille

11:35 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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and if they already know my websites, althoug its not they who banned me..

If you know who's doing the clicking - tell Adsense. Now.

noahukr

11:38 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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no i dont know who , my familly do not use my computer and they have no interest to internet, who did that someone from the same nich as me maybe

Quadrille

11:39 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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im not asking google to be gentle, they are losing millions and the advertisors too, im just aking why not to add a feature to hide the ads from bad people

Because such a system would have to 'learn' - how many clicks does it take to say someone is 'bad'?

After a few tests, the clickers would know to stop just before they got banned. And every idiot in the world would get in on the act.

As I say, almost all the 'overclickers' are cheats; the current system sorts them out, with no incentive to keep trying. Why go for a softer system?

noahukr

11:43 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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im sorry but the system is already counting how many clicks and sure from which ips, they will need just to add a ban feature to the overclickers, you dont think?

noahukr

11:46 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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lets say 10 clicks in some 10 minutes! and the clicker got banned ( the ads will hide for him)

noahukr

11:51 am on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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i cant see another better solution against click fraud than this, just banning publishers is very rude :(

noahukr

12:24 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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or im saying something idiotic :(?

cocacolafun

5:59 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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One thing I know for sure is that google can't afford transparency about how they fight "false-click" and how they determined "bad publishers".

I would be very surprise if google would ban you because 1 person went on your website and clicked the banner multiple times. I'm sure something else was triggered in their system. Patterns, your ips, cicles, etc.

I had to develop such a system for one of my system ... the only thing I can be sure of is the user "IP" address (and even then) and/or cookies I installed on their browser.

CCF

Quadrille

6:23 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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lets say 10 clicks in some 10 minutes! and the clicker got banned ( the ads will hide for him) ... i cant see another better solution against click fraud than this, just banning publishers is very rude

So the clicker gets 1000 logons and clicks nine times each? Or gets a thousand robots to do it?

The current system is MUCH better than that, and leaves no incentives for cheats.

And it's not about being rude or polite - it's about business, and other people's money.

The only people who'd support your idea, I reckon, is cheats and frauds. No advertiser would , and I see no reason why an honest publisher would.

Drop it, that's my tip ;)

noahukr

6:42 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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im honest and just i dont wanna be kicked like what they did one year ago, just lately i heared about the adsense botnets, how i said i was banned cause someone of my nich or someone of those people who ofered me to sell them or to advetise them , cause i had a big mouth and every time i answered them : nop im ok with what google is giving me
The current system is MUCH better than that, and leaves no incentives for cheats.

you mean i can sleep in peace :)? does adsense now have something more efficace against bad clickers?

Quadrille

6:50 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I don't know how safe you are, because I don't know why you got kicked out.

But I do know you got a second chance.

What I can't understand is why you want to give a second chance to cheats and frauds. The system worked for you; it works for me. What you suggest would be worse for both of us, and probably for almost everyone else - except the cheats.

Why do you want to help these people? They nearly got you banned forever!

noahukr

7:01 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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What I can't understand is why you want to give a second chance to cheats and frauds.
The system worked for you; it works for me. What you suggest would be worse for both of us, and probably for almost everyone else - except the cheats.

why do you think so? what im suggesting is to hide the ads from someone (ip) who will click more than 10 clicks in 10 minutes or less, do you think this will help cheaters or bad clickers and will be worth for honest publishers? and im not trying to cheat or fraud, never did and never will do! im not so idiot!

also you told something about the new adsense system, it is now more efficace against bad clickers?

noahukr

9:32 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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so? someone can confirm something?

netmeg

10:13 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Confirm what? Nobody can confirm anything with regards to AdSense except Google, and they are notoriously loathe to do that. They have their own system for determining invalid clicks, and they've put a lot of resources in it. Mostly they look for patterns. Occasionally they get an innocent bystander when shutting down fraud, but for the most part, and from what I have seen, most of the people who get banned get banned for a reason. They probably figure in the long run, one innocent for every few hundred scammers is just collateral damage (acceptable loss) Heck, I've accidentally clicked on my own ads, and they haven't banned me - they recognize that it was an accident, because there's no pattern.

noahukr

10:43 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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netmeg so i dont have to have any fear of getting banned if someone will try to ban me? only plz no one tell me that im cheater or trying to do some fraud! plz!

joelgreen

10:03 am on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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the only thing I can be sure of is the user "IP" address

Not really true. I heard AOL assigns IPs dynamically, so same user may request two pages from your site from different IPs.

I believe Google checks much more than just IP. It can be browser identifier, cookies, screen resolution, OS, etc. etc. etc.

You could still use tracking software to know ips of users clicking your ads. Agree "go to www.example.com" (the part which seems to disappear after changes) would be useful, but trackers are useful in combating click fraud even without that info. Ok, Google may ban you, but you may have an ip of the offender for appeal.

noahukr

11:40 am on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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joelgreen
how can i get his ip? i have more than 1500 visitors per day, the most from my country and all with dynamic ips

cocacolafun

1:15 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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OT: What I mean by "you can only be sure of the IP address" is that "at the moment of the ads being shown or click the only thing you can be sure is the IP address". Everything else can be spoofed. Even the IP address can be. So google has to use multiple ways to determined cheating ... the same way SPAM Filters give score to spams (it's not because the email contains 1 bad word that it is necessary a spam).

OT: AOL is a pain ... yes, it changes IP addresses dynamically between requests. I am certain google track a bunch of things and they uses cookies. But how is that good against pirates that know how to manipulate those.

noahukr ... stop panicking. It sounds like if you are scared to be ban. I wonder why. Stop jumping around. Follow the rules and you shouldn't get banned. If you try to "filter" by yourself, you may get it wrong and google will see you as trying to cheat.

noahukr

1:53 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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noahukr ... stop panicking. It sounds like if you are scared to be ban. I wonder why. Stop jumping around. Follow the rules and you shouldn't get banned. If you try to "filter" by yourself, you may get it wrong and google will see you as trying to cheat.

please someone can confirm that the new adsense system is more solid and wouldnt ban me if someone will try to ban me from adsense, its my only question, can someone answer me please?

netmeg

3:10 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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No. Nobody can do that. How many times do we have to tell you?

noahukr

3:15 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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sorry and thanks :) yeah google is the best :) im tired of my directors and superiors :) google is a good superior for me :)

Green_Grass

4:03 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Finally.. you got it ;-)

Google Gods know best. Keep praying and keep a low profile.

noahukr

4:07 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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how that keep a low profile :)?

fredw

11:15 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Just follow the rules. If you ever find yourself thinking, "I wonder if Google would notice if I..." or "I wonder how long I could get away with..." STOP! and then don't do that thing at all.

ALSO: Don't go by what others are doing. Just because xyz.com hasn't been banned for doing something you know is against the rules, doesn't mean they won't be eventually.

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