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My 4 year trend...

         

ArtistMike

9:27 am on Sep 10, 2007 (gmt 0)



Well you may have guessed it... my 4 year trend is down... I have gone from over $800 a month 4 years ago... to now making maybe $400 a month ... seems like it may come to a point where it is no longer worth it. Wonder how low it will go before I pull them out? Chuckle... seems there is a level of keeping what you know -- and not wanting to do all the work necessary to put a new system of ads in...

Well at some point it will need to be done... wonder where all the money went that we use to be making?

":^)

Mike

Habtom

9:28 am on Sep 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Well at some point it will need to be done... wonder where all the money went that we use to be making?

Someone else may be making it. Just a thought :)

ArtistMike

9:39 am on Sep 10, 2007 (gmt 0)



Would that someone be a Publisher or Google? Chuckle...

Anyway... my stats show a steady decline in my Cost Per. Click over the 4 years... I am now getting One Seventh (1/7) of the rate that I was getting 4 years ago for each click.

Shrug... something is wrong somewhere...

":^)

Mike

Hobbs

1:18 pm on Sep 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Your money is here and safe with me Mike, along with some of your traffic too, lucky you got away with your house, car and wife ;-)

While traffic is way up from 4 years ago, earnings are much better than the first few month (the green days), and much lower than what they should be if earnings were in direct proportion to traffic.

Kind of a standstill really with us running faster on the treadmill to keep earnings at the same level, such is life in the big city, it's called competition, the only way for us to catch a break is if there is real competition on the networks side as well.

europeforvisitors

2:01 pm on Sep 10, 2007 (gmt 0)



Well at some point it will need to be done... wonder where all the money went that we use to be making?

It's being diluted by a lot more publishers with a lot more pages.

Also, there have been changes (well-publicized by Google) in the four-year timeframe that you mentioned--changes that inevitably had an impact on earnings. The two most obvious are smart pricing (discounts for advertisers) and --probably even more important--separate bidding for the search and content networks. Another big change is awareness of AdSense. When the program launched, advertisers had to opt out, and it took a while before less professional advertisers even realized that their ads were being displayed on (and producing in low-quality clicks from) the content network.

Lipik

2:35 pm on Sep 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Supply and Demand. That is - in my opinion - one of the first reasons.
Four years ago, there where few sites with adsense and a lot of advertisers. These days you can see on more and more pages adsense ads. Of course also more advertisers join the market, but less than there is advertisement 'space'.
This "Supply and Demand" can have a greater effect in different markets, and can even be the opposit in other markets.

MikeNoLastName

9:48 am on Sep 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Agreed. Our PPC is dropping constantly due to, I guess, unluckily having picked what eventually became a high profile, competitive niche to dominate, many, many years ago (i.e. B.Y.G. [Before Yahoo & Google existed]). One that is being seemingly cloned up by every content scraping opportunist with half the brains of a gnat out there. The way GAdsense is going (vastly exploited by useless Made For Adsense sites because G is too lazy to police their publisher and MFA advertiser network), within a year or two it will likely be known as the last ditch vestige of earning a Penny Per Click for spammers who can't make money from their bloated sites any other way. The trailer park of the digital frontier. The greasy-spoon for the knowledge hungry. The pothole in the information highway. The unattended porta-potty under the abandoned network bridge. The... well you get the idea of what happens to abandoned bridges.
Personally, in the last 6 months, we've gone back to redoubling our efforts at direct selling ad space to applicable clients like we used to B.A. (Before Adsense) and privately filling up all space previously alotted to Adsense. It's not THAT hard at these pitiful rates, we've already made up about 28% of our previous volume and revenue. It was nice while it lasted, but nothing lasts for ever.

Erku

12:19 pm on Sep 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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how do you see your trends as graphs?

koan

10:13 pm on Sep 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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how do you see your trends as graphs?

You can use Excel. Or the Digital Point Tool. There's also a new Firefox addon called graphsense.

cmendla

11:13 pm on Sep 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Just want to throw in my .02 here.

1. When I graph with excel, I always go in and add a trendline and a moving average. If you've been doing it for a while and you make your moving average equal to 12 months, you can see trends that have removed seasonal effects to some degree (Yes, those of you with stats degrees can beat me up :)

2. The other thing I do I track the monthly totals and use a seperate series for each year. If you get that right, you can see how you are doing compared to the same month in previous years.

One thing my tracking did show, and it could be a coincidence, is that when google made a small effort to clean up the MFAs and arbitragers, my income went back up to what it had been about 2 years before. The year previous to the arbitrage reduction was down about 30% from the prior year. In other words, I'm now about where I was 2 years earlier even though I've added sites and a lot of content.

If da big G would just clean up all the useless MFA sites, I think it would improve things greatly.

BtW - I dont' have excel open right now, but I always do my charts as a seperate sheet. YOu go into tools, add trendline or something like that. Look for trendline and moving average.

malinkacc

11:18 pm on Sep 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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from over $800 a month 4 years ago... to now making maybe $400 a month

I am now getting One Seventh (1/7) of the rate that I was getting 4 years ago for each click.

Wait a minute, I was never good at math, hmm, but 400 vs 800 - isn't that 1/2.

?

wyweb

11:30 pm on Sep 13, 2007 (gmt 0)



He said he's getting 1/7 earnings per click, which has overall reduced his earnings by half. Having presumably added new content and increased his traffic during those 4 years, those two statements can easily work together.

malinkacc

1:19 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Having presumably added new content and increased his traffic

yes, that way it would make sense.

jetteroheller

1:24 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

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How many new pages per year are You adding?

I add about 1400 pages per year to my online magazines to hold my range good above $3000 with top monthes above $4000.