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Decling Earnings

Are your Adsense Revenues Declining?

         

Lokutus

3:50 pm on Jul 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Our average p-c revenues have declined dramatically since 2003. Is it just us? Or have you seen yours decline too?

Genuine1

3:55 pm on Jul 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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No. Since 2003 earnings and traffic has been slowly improving. Site(s) not updated in many years. I just keep all the arbitrage/mfa sites in the filter or like you my income drops off drastically.

europeforvisitors

3:55 pm on Jul 10, 2007 (gmt 0)



It shouldn't be surprising that your AdSense earnings per click (I assume that's what you meant by "p-c revenues") have dropped since 2003, for several reasons:

1) "Smart pricing" discounts for advertisers were introduced in April, 2004.

2) Advertisers can now bid separately on search and content ads.

3) Inventory (ad space on publisher pages) has grown enormously since 2003. Given the millions of autogenerated pages out there, it's likely that ad supply has increased faster than demand for ads.

workingNOMAD

4:34 pm on Jul 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I have been improving my earnings as I work smarter now.

europeforvisitors

5:21 pm on Jul 10, 2007 (gmt 0)



The OP was talking about earnings per click, and I don't know that "working smarter" will have much impact on EPC. Even if it did, trying to boost EPC would be a fool's errand, because what matters in the final analysis is how much you earn each month. (Example: A New York hotel-review site could increase its EPC massively by dumping its reviews of upstate hotels and keeping only those about Manhattan, but it would be throwing away perfectly good income in doing so.)

timwestla

5:57 pm on Jul 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"...Given the millions of autogenerated pages out there, it's likely that ad supply has increased faster than demand for ads."

Not just autogenerated sites... Legitimate websites as well. This is why, as much as I like AdSense, I don't like to make my success public. The less people who know about it, the more advertising dollars for me. Is that selfish? I don't think so. It's a common practice in business. But there are some who just can't resist telling the whole world when they find a good deal.

BillyS

6:45 pm on Jul 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>>Our average p-c revenues have declined dramatically since 2003. Is it just us? Or have you seen yours decline too?

I've posted elsewhere how my traffic from Google increased 4x starting on June 13th. I would have thought that my eCPM would have dropped (by CTR is pretty constant) because others have talked about that experience. Instead it has actually increased and is remarkably steady - much more so then before the traffic increase. Of course this is also related to the TERMS for which my site is now being found.

Genuine1

6:45 pm on Jul 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It doesent matter. Some have what it takes, most just dont. Its that simple.

Lokutus

8:46 pm on Jul 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"It doesent matter. Some have what it takes, most just dont. Its that simple."

No offense, but what a useless post?

One has to wonder then why you even bother to grace us with your presence here if the good lord blessed with Adsense know-at birth?

alephh

6:00 am on Jul 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Could not agree more with timwestla :-)

Most successful publishers keep their mouth shut - the moment you declare to the world that you make zillion with pages about product Y, there will be countless new pages about product Y, and while most of them will be total failures, they will (potentially at least) decline your earnings and mess with your success one way or the other.

It's also pretty obvious that since thousands of existing (old, reliable, large) Internet sites start to implement Adsense, the growth rate of "new" publishers is huge, and growth rate of new advertizers cannot match that.

On the positive side, it's much more difficult for newcomers to establish themselves (in both Internet and AdSense).

It's also a matter of sector you work in. Unbelievable amount of people start sites simply by looking at "most paying keywords".

At any given moment there is a huge number of websites earning more year after year, and also a huge number of sites earning less.

Genuine1

8:48 am on Jul 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>>>"It doesent matter. Some have what it takes, most just dont. Its that simple."
No offense, but what a useless post?
>>>if the good lord blessed with Adsense know-at birth?

Its not about "adsense" at all. Frankly there not much TO know. Adsense is the very last step.

First you need to have a successful valuable site. Unless you plan on arb because you are unable and thats a short term loosers game...

I was replying to a post about disclosing earning/subject.
It really DOES not matter because successful sites are successful because the writer has something to offer thats head and shoulders above the rest. If I told you I made millions from a site about servicing combined harvesters then so what? You know nothing about them so how can you compete? I can post an interesting and informative in depth site - you cant.

In the real publishing world its just the same. Just because The lord of the rings was successfull or harry potter does not mean that anyone else can do it - the odd one could - most have no chance. You could try and do similar and like the thousands of writers that have your books will sell a trickle. Not everyone can be a bestseller.

In internet publishing the same thing happens. The sites that truly have something good to offer get big traffic, links, good search engine placement because of it and yet more traffic. Those that need to try to copy site/subject etc dont have what it takes.

EG even dating sites. We all know they can make big money. There are thousands that come and go. (careful!) Most fail or make very little. SOME and I can only think of two make millions. They were the ones that did have what it takes. All the rest are wannabees.

In short chasing keywords is a waste of time. Being original and the best by a mile in whatever your subject area is is the way. But not everyone can do that. In which case you are not going to be very successful.

[edited by: Genuine1 at 9:08 am (utc) on July 11, 2007]

workingNOMAD

6:46 am on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It is no point being original if you are going to choose a low paying sector and I have learned that the hard way.

The trick is to find an area that has higher paying keywords and then find a niche within that.

Genuine1

11:50 am on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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But equally its not possible to write a well informed site about something that you are not THE expert in. It needs to be THE site in the chosen field. Not another also ran...

Better to write in detailed informative way about something you know a LOT about than go chasing keywords with the masses of get rich quick mob! They for eg simply couldnt create a site in my chosen niche because they dont know as much about it as I do. They will get 5 percent of the traffic and most will hit the back button.

sailorjwd

6:15 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"thats a short term loosers game" ...Talk about a useless post.

Tell that to my new house (I mean trailer)

Genuine1

7:21 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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For most its a waste of time but a few can and have made huge money in the past but you have to admit its getting harder and harder and will likely get harder still.

For what its worth its paid for my house too. And a £30k disabled adapted vehicle. And without any arb or paid traffic and using a bunch of unchanged hobby pages posted well before google in some cases on my free space provided by my ISP! And the future looks brighter for my old useful content pages than an arb site I think!

[edited by: Genuine1 at 7:23 pm (utc) on July 12, 2007]

Swanny007

7:52 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I took a look at my earnings-per-click for each of the last four Junes. My highest p-c earnings were in 2004 followed by 2006. My earnings p-c last month were just over 1/2 what they were in 2004. So yes, overall p-c earnings are down. But thanks to growth (i.e. new content) and more organic SE traffic, earnings are increasing every year. An interesting note... my CPM & CTR last month were better than all other months of June.

I credit my increase in earnings to not just an increase in traffic but also analysis of ad unit sizes, placement, and number of units on a page. Experiment, see what works and what doesn't. I've got one site that I've experimented with so much that I don't touch the ad positioning or colors anymore. I know that if I change a unit, I'll see less revenue. Experiment.

europeforvisitors

8:30 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)



One thing I've noticed is that display-ad CPMs and affiliate eCPMs have been growing nicely over the last year while AdSense eCPMs haven't been doing nearly as well. I expect AdSense to rebound (at least somewhat) after contextual site targeting goes into effect and advertisers have more control over where their ads appear. Still, I think two trends may be working against AdSense, at least in my sector:

1) At the high end, corporate advertisers are putting more money into display ads; and...

2) At the low end, "little guys" with offline businesses (as opposed to Web entrepreneurs) may be finding AdSense too hard to use, or at least too hard to use profitably. If Google wants to get advertisers like the Hotel Widgetville and Bernardo's B&B in Bari, it'll need to make the AdWords/AdSense buying process as easy as buying a classified ad or spreading the word via Craigslist.

Mentat

5:40 am on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Something is wrong ;(
12 july - the worst ePM ever..
My traffic is normal, clicks are normal, but payment is crap!

Play_Bach

2:08 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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> it'll need to make the AdWords/AdSense buying process as easy as buying a classified ad or spreading the word via Craigslist.

Yup. As it is now, it's a lot of hoops for the average user to go through to set up an AdWords campaign , let alone optimize it.

chikung

3:09 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It was going down from 1st of June and the trend continued till the end of the month. Now I guess it is slowly picking up from 1st of July. The trend is showing that everything is coming back to normal. The process is slow but definitely sure to the higher end.

I feel it may take couple of months to to achive my regular earnings but I am happy to see that downfall is stopped and recovery is started.

On a different note, I have added referels and started promoting them seriously. This may be making a difference. Its working pretty good for me.