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Google emails me and tells me that my website if violating TOS and the program policies and therefore is banned and if I continue to be such a bad boy they will terminate the account as well. And this is the second such email un June!.
The thing is, they ban websites which I have never heard of and supposedly they had my publisher ID on. When I go and investigate the offending website I find that they serve adsense via snicky iframes and javascripts off some other domains and the ads actually do not have my publisher ID in it. What's the heck?
I, of course, emailed back to Google and explained the thing both times. But still, if it goes on like tat it well may become like a full time job for me investigating adsense fraud for big G.
I think that the following is going on. Some **cks are blatantly abuse adsense going after short term gain. To avoid (or actually postpone) their account termination they came up with a list of IP's/geolocations which Google may use to investigate things from. For such IP's they serve random publisher ID's or even better those of their competitors. Google people look at it see spofed pub id and shove their wrath on innocent people. I am just surprised why G is letting it happen and making himself look so supid.
Anyone else here had similar experiences?
Waiting for that mythical whitelist feature to show up in my account...
87,54% of my traffic is coming from organic search on Google though.
Sorry, but if ASA Saying is right that they banned people for a strong reason and data, then I doubt it already.
I have lost my faith on Adsense.
There must be some other reason too?
Ann
PS
I would almost be willing to pay Google to do this for me. :)
Ann
This is a serious matter and should be discussed.
Yeah, in a way it's pretty scary that someone could do this. It's something that had never occured to me befoe. But I think this will be pretty much resolved when Google releases the allowed sites option to all publishers. I hope they get that option to us soon.
This is a serious matter and should be discussed.
It's hard to discuss the matter seriously without knowing more about the publishers who are getting such warnings.
Come on people, put your thinking caps on and get rid of all that tinfoil. This is a serious matter and should be discussed.
I put on my thinking cap ages ago and solved the problem of stolen pub IDs.
I put all of my domains in the CHANNELS list, such as domain1.com, domain2.com, etc. When the raw domain channel totals don't match the reported total income, it's very easy to detect there is a problem. We're not talking a couple of pennies either, I mean a serious variation in the totals.
I hit the net and found a couple of scraped pages that still had my pub-ID and reported them to Google and they stopped running ads the next day.
See this thread about a new feature that may help:
[webmasterworld.com...]
Finally someone with a solution and not just another piece of the problem :)
I put all of my domains in the CHANNELS list, such as domain1.com, domain2.com, etc. When the raw domain channel totals don't match the reported total income, it's very easy to detect there is a problem. We're not talking a couple of pennies either, I mean a serious variation in the totals.
@IncrediBILL: Nice, simple, if a bit more work... Give that man an honorary PhD!
2) As you say, it doesn't tell you where the problem is. Google is one place to look, external websites embedding your site's graphics can also point you to the source of the problem. I really wish there was a source-code search engine, where you could search on text strings such as Javascript parameters (i.e. your AdSense ID).
1) Does this work if they copy your entire AdSense block including the channel ID?
If channels didntt work, this wouldn't work.
Basic point is you kick it back to Google about who in the hell is using your PUB ID.
Not too terribly complicated IMO.
I hit the net and found a couple of scraped pages that still had my pub-ID and reported them to Google and they stopped running ads the next day.
Did you find an easy method to to this i.e. hunting down replication of pub-ID? I seem to remember search with the pub-ID alone doesn't work.
Did you find an easy method to to this i.e. hunting down replication of pub-ID? I seem to remember search with the pub-ID alone doesn't work.
Without going into great detail, I have cloaked poison pills in all of my web pages.
When the SEs crawl my sites the poison pills aren't in the pages but when anyone else hits my site the poison pills are enabled. If someone scrapes my pages and they get indexed with the content as-is, including the poison pill, I can track them down in any SE.
Why would it hurt anything if the SE's indexed your pages with the poison pill? Isn't it just a string that you can easily search for?
Also I would like to bring to your attention that OP was not about 'honest thieves' who copy content together with pub-id simply because they are stupid or/and lazy. I was mostly concerned about the cases when bad guys openly violate AdSense TOS and policies and spoof their own pub-id's so that when Google people investigate their account they see someone else pub-ids. Just like that 'poison pill' only the other way around. The spoofing techniques are used by black hat SEO people for ages. This is just another application. I imagine some websites would show spoofed pub-id using geo IP, for example. So if AdSense investigators always come in from US, for example, the malicious website would spoof pub-id for US and show the real one for the rest of the world.
If you think about this, it is the only logical explanation why Google would repeatedly send me banning emails and at the same time when I go to check it out there different pub-id's on the website. Aparently, Google investigators see different code and are fooled into sending bans to innocent accounts.
Why would it hurt anything if the SE's indexed your pages with the poison pill? Isn't it just a string that you can easily search for?
Because then all my pages would show when I ran a search to find thieves. The concept was to JUST to show pages from people scraping my site and stealing content, which is does quite nicely.
Because then all my pages would show when I ran a search to find thieves. The concept was to JUST to show pages from people scraping my site and stealing content, which is does quite nicely.
I like the concept. Wouldn't it just be possible to search with:
"poison pill keywords" -site:mysite.com
but the best advice is to develop a contingency plan just in case the worst happens
I would try an Adsense alternative on about 5% of my pages and maintain the smaller account to where in a worst case scenario i could quickly switch everything to the other provider.
There are a few decent alternatives providing contexual ads. Most [probably all of them] don't have relevant ads in every niche as does Google, but for some publishers the payout will be equal or sometimes even more.
I know about a newcomer that pays on traffic from US, Canada, Spain, Italy, France, Germany and the UK. PM me if you need the url.
Good point and clever strategy, thanks.
When the SEs crawl my sites the poison pills aren't in the pages but when anyone else hits my site the poison pills are enabled. If someone scrapes my pages and they get indexed with the content as-is, including the poison pill, I can track them down in any SE.
I'd like to give this a try!
How do you spot the SE? By IP? Agent?
If by IP, would you mind to share your list? ;)
regards
