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Some SEOs however, do not focus on the user’s needs, but instead create pages solely for search engines... usually accomplished by... scraping content... Google is willing to take action against domains that try to rank more highly by just showing scraped or other autogenerated pages that don't add any value to users.
I have heard it from several reliable sources that several Adsense accounts have been suspended today...
Several accounts? I wouldn't exactly call that a "crackdown." A crackdown would certainly be welcome, though we'll probably have to settle for a shakeout as site-targeted CPC ads, CPA ads, smart pricing, etc. eventually starve out the bottom feeders.
I have heard it from several reliable sources that several Adsense accounts have been suspended today because their sites had "Poor Quality" content.
What constitute "Poor Quality"?
Is it only about the website with original, low quality content?
Does a site with good content, but poor visitors due to lack of inbound links and ranking deem to be "poor quality"?
What about MFAs?
Does a site with good content, but poor visitors due to lack of inbound links and ranking deem to be "poor quality"?
No. One of the key features of Google's advertising model is that it aggregates small publishers and small advertisers, giving it a broader reach than would otherwise be possible.
Small publishers with good sites only need to worry if their account becomes expensive to administer (e.g. if they have a lot of support issues). If a publisher costs Google more than it earns for them, then Google would be justified in closing the account, even if there's nothing else wrong with the site, its visitors, and its owner.
Either way, any poor quality sites (according to Google) were treading on thin ice anyway.They've been treading on thin ice for years.
Chance are a few people got banned for breaking the TOS, and this morphed into a "crack-down".
I see plenty of sites that are MFA, and have been MFA for years, and AS does nothing, as long as they are relevant and/or not breaking the TOS.
I could see some publishers complaining to Google that they are getting poor results from some sites, but the publishers have the tools to block those sites from their campaigns.
This rumor goes around about every six months, that they are going after sites that they are targeting "poor quality" sites. As long as publishers don't complain about the traffic, Google will let it be.
If they were truly going after "poor quality" sites, the type-in domains that use a parking page to run AS (i.e. there is no site, just a single page of AS ads), would be the first against the wall, as they offer NO content.
Oh bother, you got that 100% wrong.
Of course they don't offer content. They are direct navigation. It's a form of search.
Someone is searching by typing in a domain name, let's say Example.com. The domain example.com is not for sale, but if it were it would sell for several hundred thousand dollars, well out of the reach of the average example seller.
But gee, if the example merchant can't buy the domain, which is a good one, they can ADVERTISE on it through adwords, and that's a lot cheaper than buying the domain while still monetizing the traffic that is streaming to it.
It's misinformed to compare Direct Navigation to MFAs or talk about it in the same breath as low quality clicks. Direct Navigation produces the highest quality click, far superior than contextual.
Of course they don't offer content. They are direct navigation. It's a form of search.
That's why I was saying that if this was just about poor content, they would be in trouble in theory - I was responding to a comment that the OP had made:
several Adsense accounts have been suspended today because their sites had "Poor Quality" content.
You are absolutely right - they offer only ads and not content. You're also right that those sites do produce good results, which leads me back to the point of there would only be a crack-down if advertisers were complaining (I said publishers, but I meant advertisers), and the advertisers have the tools to block sites they don't want to be on.
I don't think there is any crack-down though. I have a list of about 30 or 40 sites that are MFAs that compete in my niches, and they have what I would definitely call "poor quality content", including scraping my sites and others. Some of us have reported them to the AS folks as well as their hosting providers, to no avail. I shouldn't say that, occasionally they will take down content we've reported them on, but they keep on chugging with AdSense, time after time, with apparently no penalities (i.e. haven't changed AdSense IDs, so their accounts are still in good standing).
If Google was truly cracking down, we would hear about it in multiple legit venues, and not just an anonymous posting on an internet forum.
IMO, this means they've finally taken a hard stand against AdSense arbitrage in particular. They couldn't eradicate it with quality score on the AdWords side without killing a ridiculous number of non-arbitrage advertisers as well, so they decided to just kill the AdSense accounts instead.
It's misinformed to compare Direct Navigation to MFAs or talk about it in the same breath as low quality clicks. Direct Navigation produces the highest quality click, far superior than contextual.
In terms of their function to the owner, advertiser, and ad broker (Google), there is a difference. But to the avg Joe/Jane looking to research a topic, they look the same and might likley be just as useless.
And thats the problem with the parked domain MFA vs. regular garden variety MFA argument IMO, they are different in terms of function but all too similar in terms of appearance to many users.
IMO, this means they've finally taken a hard stand against AdSense arbitrage in particular.
If that's the case, is anybody surprised? Buying traffic is buying traffic. Yes, it's amusing that at one point, one of Google's case studys was an arbitrage site (thinly veiled, but most of us recognized it as soon as we saw), but I think this is something that a lot of us have been wanting.
I never have liked having my sites used by similar sites as entry points, by them using Adwords that would show up as AdSense on my site, so that people would follow the link to the arbitrage site (which was usually an MFA).
Nothing against you personally Tiger98, and I'm sure you run solid sites with good content, but there are too many people abusing this.
Using Adwords to create some awareness of a new site is good, IMO, but I've always thought it was abused by too many (who used it for AdSense traffic and not to create awareness of a new site).
I just checked and they're gone.
Interesting.
FarmBoy
It's misinformed to compare Direct Navigation to MFAs or talk about it in the same breath as low quality clicks. Direct Navigation produces the highest quality click, far superior than contextual
A page with nothing but ads is not an MFA?
How is that different than expired domain corps eating scavengers?
What about mistyped domain squatters?
In the pursue of "conversion" the internet is getting filled with garbage, publishers are becoming conversion machines not content producers, MFA, made for affiliate, we'll watch them come and go, but superior?
MB explained it perfectly. Direct navigation is a choice, I supect more often than not made by people who find the SERPs confusing or less than optimal in their mission to find X. So they go direct.
The CTR on direct navigation domains can make the CTRs on the contextual network look feeble. Advertisers keep coming back, which suggests that direct navigation CTRs are connected with conversion rates that make advertisers money.
People type in CitynameHotels.tld. Listings, often rather clearly worded and typically imbedding deals related to hotels in that city, appear. Just like in the SERPs, except sometimes better and, with the improvements being made in landers I'll say better and better.
It's not 1999 anymore.
Those superior business models are multiplying in my competitive filter like bunnies.
What twists my knots it the labeling a page full of nothing but ads "superior", they might have the highest industry CTR and best conversion ever, and still remain an inferior nothing but ads spammy MFA pages.
I cannot possibly have any personal preferences on how a user should typically find their target, its their business, but I suspect a page full of nothing but ads is what that visitor is looking for.
And yes, Google is in this business, but I don't like everything that Google does either.
Maybe I'd feel a little better about them if they were not aggressively appearing as ads on my pages, maybe I can just ignore them if they were not making the finding of broken links on my site so hard, I lose a little bit of trust every time I send my visitors to an ad fest of broken links or 'superior' expired domains.
Ads that appear in little boxes on the contextual network that make it appear that they will lead to a final destination or "the answer" - but actually lead to arbitrage sites - are problematic in my experience. I no more care for arbitrage links on my domain landers than you care for them on your website. Arbitragers craft their adlinks to make it appear that upon the click-away the visitor-clicker will arrive at a final destination. Instead, all the visitor-clicker arrives at is another transit point. Frankly I don't think that's good for either the domain parking industyr OR the contextual advertising industry. Still, the visitor may eventually find their way to a site that fulfills their search intent.
The deception in domain parking is implied - not crafted. You may imply that because a domain is registered therefore the existence of a website naturally follows. It being 2007, and domain parking having existed for years and being rather a ubiquitous phenomena, I would think that such a implied conclusion or belief - implied in the minds of that direct navigator - would scarcely exist, perhaps only in the minds of few utter web neophytes.
As far as clutter, would my industry directory website be more clutter, if it filled the SERPs, versus a parked domain that acts as a directory for the same industry?
The essential issue is one of deception and there are layers of onion skin to be peeled, each revealing elements of "less than elemental honesty" in advertising. MFAs and domain parking are both advertising models but domain parking's "deception" is far more implied than designed. The "deception" of MFA or PPC arbitrage ads or sites - whatever they might consist of - is more designed than implied. Visitor expectation and experience are tied up in there somewhere, often starting with an ad that - by design - suggests an informational website exists. Ads are information but that's not always what the ad suggested.
Perhaps if the arbitrage ads were required to simply state "Find more ads about widgets here" that might clear things up a bit and improve the user experience as a click would promptly fulfill the users expectation of seeing only ads. ;)
It's misinformed to compare Direct Navigation to MFAs or talk about it in the same breath as low quality clicks. Direct Navigation produces the highest quality click, far superior than contextual.
For one it encourages people to register domains for no other reason than to show AdSense thus polluting the web with garbage.
1. If someone types cityhotelcheap.tld into their browser and there is no website on the other end, a hotel in that city missed an opportunity for a sale.
2. If someone is clever enough to register that domain then that person typing the domain name into the browser will either hit a site for a hotel, or a page of ads (like a directory or targeted SERPs) for hotels in that city. They will have found what they were searching for. That is what direct navigation is: Search.
3. Just as someone typing into a search box will find a listing of serps and ads, someone typing a domain name into the browser address field may find the same, and (gasp) even an actual hotel website.
4. Bottom line: A consumer found what they were looking for. Where is the pollution?
Even more importantly, where is the fraud? The same peanut gallery that lumps direct navigation with click fraud consistently can never, and I mean never, coherently illustrate where the fraud occurs. It blows my mind to hear otherwise reasonable people say something is so and not only fail to illustrate why it is so, but regress to an idiotic non-response such as "If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you." And here's my favorite non-response: "I have been in this business X years, I should know."
Right.
I just feel the whole business model detestable, even if they convert and are cashing on the new to the internet visitors mentality loop hole or search engines shortcomings.
I am honestly trying to find where we are in agreement, when you are coming from the pragmatic and financial conversion angle and I am losing it with expired domain links and ad filter space.
[edited by: Hobbs at 6:14 pm (utc) on Mar. 27, 2007]
1. If someone types cityhotelcheap.tld into their browser and there is no website on the other end, a hotel in that city missed an opportunity for a sale.
One of the biggest problems is that these domain owners are promoting these parked domains, funneling traffic to them in order to get the clicks. You are free to disagree but I certainly disagree with your assessment that it isn't the same as click fraud.
[edited by: Atomic at 6:32 pm (utc) on Mar. 27, 2007]
Atomic, as an advertiser, you're in it for the conversion: sale, booking, signup, hit or whatever you're in it for, what's click faudish about visitors clicking on those ugly and terrible parked domain pages and doing whatever you paid for them to do on your pages?