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believe it or not, but i like doing things on my own. that's why i would like to have my own database displaying ads on my page. no iframe. no reliance on third-party servers.
you catch my drift?
but the problem with doing everything by yourself is that it is nearly impossible to get advertisers! i wish google allowed you to somehow do things serverside. this way, nobody could block your ads either. they would be an integrated part of your site.
naturally, this would require google to verify each site you wanna do this for, and regularly check back.
what do you think? what are my options? i want to control the ads (grammar, style, everything) by myself, but no company is gonna reply on my e-mails if i ask them for a deal... plus how are we gonna trust each other? they might not give me enough money, or they think i don't show their ads as often as they pay for.
i am frustrated.
Only you can decide how much cash you will sacrifice in order to keep control - but from what you seek - "grammar, style, everything" - I reckon you'll need to give the ads away!
What advertiser will surrender that much?
If you want total control, sign up for a bunch of affiliate programs and write ads for specific products and put in your affiliate links. That is about the only way that I can figure that you could keep as much control as you apparently need. But make sure to read their TOS to make sure you can do this.
For example I make some pages about some sort of a local business and have interesting top positions in Google.
Now I could go to the company and ask them to advertise on this page.
But this company makes their main business in maybe only 30km radius, some business in 70km radius and nearly no business at further distance.
Why should they pay for all visitors, when maybe only 2% of the visitors are interesting?
Now You could try to ask 100 different companies in different geographic regions to advertise. Very much work.
But maybe Google had 500 AdWords customers paying for the keywords of this business, but each with an other geographic region.
AdSense is what puts food on your table and gives you the freedom to create your own lifestyle. What would you have been doing 5 years ago before AdSense existed, or 15 years ago before anybody had heard of the web? Probably stuck in a cubicle like me, or maybe even flipping burgers. But instead of seeing the glass as 9/10 full, you insist on seeing it as 1/10 empty.
i don't wanna be stuck with google. i find them being more evil every day that passes, and sooner or later there must pop up some competition.
i don't understand why this is not happening.
They're more work than AdSense and can lead to even more uncertainty than AdSense, but you get much more control and a lot of people, including me, earn more from affiliate marketing than from AdSense.
i don't understand why this is not happening.
It is happening. There is lots of competition.
They just don't have the advertiser base, and they certainly don't have the publisher base. And none of them has anywhere near as good of a reputation as Google does.
Google banning publishers that they do not like is generally a Good Thing. The vast majority of the time it is for a very good reason. It does occasionally happen because someone is the victim of a click attack, but it is uncommon to say the least.
It is almost always due to a violation of the TOS. But you don't like the TOS and have already stated you intention to violate it. In fact, in that thread you said you didn't believe google banned people that made them money even if they did violate the TOS.
It is apparent that you are not going to be happy with AdSense, no matter what. They will never change enough to make you happy. So you have 2 choices:
1. Give up on AdSense and just walk away.
2. Violate the TOS to your heart's content, and see how long it lasts.
Or you could go ahead and do like the rest of us and accept the third option:
3. Understand and accept the take it or or leave it deal that is AdSense, and smile a happy little smile about the easy money appearing in your bank account every month.
You're tilting at windmills.
yeah... $50 bulk dollars is better than many, many $0.00000000001 ones.
If your AdSense clicks are paying $0.00000000001, you probably don't have the right topic and the right audience to generate many $50 affiliate commissions.
I design a page with a space for adsense, slot in a server side include, and forget about it.
I don't want control, and I'm grateful for the money.
My only worry is those that get few clicks; should I have a 'cleaner page' and throw away the few cents it earned, or keep it going 'just in case'. Decisions, decisions!
That is more than enough control for me!
Once rival systems start looking good, I'll have to really think about them, too :)
BTW, I do have a page called "advertize", that sets out my dream for advertisers, and I regularly get applications, for most of my sites. But when I examine the proposals (ALWAYS non-compliant, because they want control), I almost invariably find that adsense is a better deal; better looking, better income, no attempted scams. Once in a while, I find an advertiser who likes my terms, pays up front for months or years, then I don't hear until the renewal comes up. Nice.
[edited by: Quadrille at 11:27 pm (utc) on Feb. 23, 2007]
Quadrille: well... you are one of those who don't care about things, i guess. but some do.
AdSense was designed for publishers like Quadrille.
If you want an ad network that was designed by you and for you, you'll need to roll your own.
