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Newbie Asks: Decoding the Keyword Mystery?

Google isn't getting the ads right on our site. Why not?

         

wakeuptimetodie

4:29 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Greetings one and all:

We're new to this whole AdSense thing, but we're learning fast.

In order to generate better revenue, we're experimenting with new positioning, colors, and ad units thanks to your comments on an earlier post. But now we're struggling with keywords. Here's our situation:

We run a site devoted to very specific fashion dolls from the 60s, a very narrow niche. And the people who come to our site LOVE to read about these specific dolls. But when it comes to ANY OTHER kind of doll, they'd much rather read about Anna Nicole Smith or designer outfits or Japanese anime. Google, of course, sees that our site is about "dolls" and serves up ads for geeky dolls our community doesn't care about instead of cool things they'd love to check out. We'd rather Google dispensed with ads for these lame dolls in favor of ads for pop culture sites or discount travel or "riot grrrls" or many other things I could easily list.

So...how do we go about getting Google to target ads to our site more intelligently? Can we use meta-tags and keywords hidden in the HTML or do we have to figure out a way to shoehorn some of these keywords (however arbitrarily) into our content? And how do we get these "off-topic" ads to appear on pages with content that refreshes less often (like our picture gallery)? What's the secret?

Many thanks,

Asa

jomaxx

4:56 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Salt your page with off-topic keywords at your own risk. You might end up hurting your search engine rankings AND your AdSense targeting.

My advice is to let Google do what they do. You can block specific advertisers you don't want on your site, but frankly I question your belief that random ads would do better than somewhat relevant ads.

wakeuptimetodie

5:08 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Jomaxx. Very sage advice.
In your experience, do Google ads become more targeted over time? In other words, does the algorithm seem to be smart enough to learn from your click-throughs and begin to serve up more of the same while phasing out things that aren't working?

Cheers,
Asa

Green_Grass

5:08 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Google does well because they serve precisely targetted ads. If you want non tagetted ads, you may have to look at some other resources.

Green_Grass

5:10 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"from the 60s, a very narrow niche. "

IMO , here is your problem. There might be very limited advertisers for your niche.

andrewshim

8:58 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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LOL! welcome to the world of mis-targetted ads... sometimes takes forever for Goog to get your site's theme and topic right.

In the meantime, I expect "dolls from the 60's" have given you ads about :

Googoo dolls, old age insurance, social security, incontinence and dentures....

;)

wakeuptimetodie

4:28 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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andrew:
thats EXACTLY what's happening! but thanks for your post -- sounds like if we just hang in there, google will figure this out for themselves!
i guess i was asking if there's a super-double-secret way to target ads that might seem off-topic to the casual viewer, but to our audience are very much germane. it would appear there is NOT.
cheers,
asa

jomaxx

5:16 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I believe that over time Google will figure out which specific ads work better and which themes work better, but ads will continue to be keyword-based.

You've already got a targeted audience, the path to success isn't to make the ads and content less targeted; it's to expand the site in specific directions that naturally build on this targeting. Maybe your audience (or a subset of it) would be interested in info about eBay, info about similar types of collectibles, a buy-and-sell forum, or related movies/books/TV shows/comics/celebrities/etc.

Use your imagination. To use a ridiculous example, there's a popular site for cat lovers that has them put random Stuff On Cats and send in pictures of it. Not just clothes but pizza, post-it notes, Lego, etc. They even publish a picture-a-day calendar.

spaceylacie

7:39 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"Stuff On Cats"- that reminds me of my "Dogs In Dresses" section on a site of mine. Anyway....

Wakeup, you probably have many more "casual viewers" than you realize so the ads that you see as off-topic might not be considered the same way by your overall audience. Even my most niche websites get tons more general visitors than regular members.