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one person clicked on ads 18 times in two days

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drivingdirectory

7:01 pm on Feb 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I just started adsense and I am doing very well with it. I am concerned about people clicking on the ads to much because I get a lot of teenagers on my site. I have adlogger and I am tracking the clicks. I tried to do the whole block if they click on to many times but could not get it to work right (blocked almost everyone). I had one person click on adds 18 times in two days, I reported it to Google but have not heard any thing back. It would be nice if Google would set something up to control this. I don’t want to get banned because of someone else. In one know of any thing else I can do? Thank you.

testing0

8:13 pm on Feb 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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adlogger is crap.

if you go with firefox over your ads it count 1 click.

good luck

joelgreen

9:45 pm on Feb 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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AdLogger will not protect you from clickers. It covers only few scenarios from a dozen. But it could (possibly) provide the IP of the clicker (so you could let Google know the "suspicious" ip after your account got banned). Well known problem with AdLogger (as well as with others) is phantom clicks. You can find some "Adlogger registered XX clicks from the same ip" posted on this forum.

But it may provide some useful information like traffic from which site/search engine is most likely to convert.

rocker

10:33 pm on Feb 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It would be nice if Google would set something up to control this.

I'm sure they already do. Just because one person clicked 18 times, it doesn't mean that you were paid for all the clicks.

andrewshim

12:13 am on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I'm sure they already do. Just because one person clicked 18 times, it doesn't mean that you were paid for all the clicks.

Don't assume that G will hold back the earnings from perceived invalid clicks and that's the end of it. It's not. They will send you that dreaded "invalid clicks" email even if they've held back any earnings from those clicks. It's done to safeguard advertisers and publishers alike.

When you suspect multiple clicks from one person (18 clicks is cause to worry), just drop Adsense an email informing them of the possibility that these clicks (include date, time, IP ect) were invalid.

Their system is smarter than we think, but they can't tell if you were in any way responsible for initiating those clicks. When you inform them of possible invalid clicks, it shows them that you are not up to funny business. They will appreciate your honesty and this will only serve to keep your account in good standing.

PowerUp

12:25 am on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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hi, my site is now earning less than $1.00 every month. I know it's too early to ask, but how do you guys find out who click how many times?

andrewshim

3:42 am on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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there are click tracking software available, but if you don't want to buy any software, you'll need to keep an eye on your stats. If you see an unusual spike in clicks (eg, you average 10 clicks a day, suddenly you get 50 clicks) you might want to drop Adsense an email.

It's not about being paranoid. If you feel something's not right, get in touch with Adsense. It's important that you safeguard your Adsense account right from the beginning even if think you are earning very little. You never know... if you get banned early on in your Adsense life, then you might never see the day you make $100 a day or $1000 a day! ;)

SteveWh

1:41 pm on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Their system is smarter than we think, but they can't tell if you were in any way responsible for initiating those clicks.

I wonder about that... they know who you are, and there are lots of Google services you probably use, and it wouldn't take very long before they know the range of IP addresses from which you typically visit them. So if you click your own ads, I suspect they have the means to know right away. Whether they actually use the data for that or any other purpose, I don't know, but it seems like it would be useful in any investigation, and in some situations it could help protect you, like if they detect someone else logging into your AdSense account, etc.

Pengi

2:22 pm on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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There have certainly been occasions when I was surfing the net to find a product and I would click on numerous ads from a given site.

Clicking on 18 ads in 2 days does not necessarily indicate that there is anything amiss.

I'm sure that Google allow for people who have this sort of behaviour. I'm sure that there are more factors involved in how Google determines whether there is click fraud taking place.

18 clicks from an IP address used by the account holder, systematic clicking of unrelated ads, the time spend between clicks, etc. etc.

Nevertheless, providing you are "clean", I think it always advisable to notify Google AdSense support if you have any specific concerns.

jimbeetle

4:10 pm on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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There have certainly been occasions when I was surfing the net to find a product and I would click on numerous ads from a given site.

Clicking on 18 ads in 2 days does not necessarily indicate that there is anything amiss.

Yep, definitely agree. I was searching for something yesterday and must have clicked 20 ads within an hour until I found a good source for what I wanted -- and who actually delivered on the ad copy.

MThiessen

6:04 pm on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I never ever click ads for any reason, and I am not talking about just my own.

I get the impression that it is not "ok" for us to click ANY adsense ads anywhere this could be construed as click fraud. Why? because you could hunt for your competitors ads all over the web and click away his adwords money...

[edited by: MThiessen at 6:05 pm (utc) on Feb. 10, 2007]

Pengi

7:37 pm on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I never ever click ads for any reason, and I am not talking about just my own.

Neither do I now that I have both AdSense and AdWords accounts! But I used to before I was in the business - legitimate searching and legitimate clicks on the ads.

JohnDoealias

7:53 pm on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Relax...

I had same thing but was OK.

Think about link unit ad. What do you think they are for...?

netchicken1

8:00 pm on Feb 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I like adlogger, its been facinating seeing what people have clicked on.

My biggest clicker is a military base in maryland. with over 40 clicks in the last week. I assume its becase there are many people accessing the net using the same IP account.

I have set it to stop after 15 clicks every 2 hours. That would stop the clicking nuts.

However I really doubt google is concerned over some person who has clicked the adverts 14 times. in the scheme of importnat things to do, i am sure they are looking for the bigger fish.

The best thing adlogger does is record the IP's, now I am sure Google does the same thing, but if trouble arises you can show that you are not the the cause and that you have tried to use preventative measures to protect your adverts. It shows good faith on your part.

However google must already log the ips, and use a similar system to know if fraudulent clicks have happened on your site - triggered automatically.

lorro

8:25 pm on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I use adlogger too.
It's interesting which kind of ads are most popular, and which pages too. Although not a secure protection against "invalid clicks", it can help a bit.

joelgreen

9:08 pm on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I like adlogger

Make sure you are updated to the most recent version, because older versions are easy to hack per my tests.

potentialgeek

6:17 am on Feb 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Yep, definitely agree. I was searching for something yesterday and must have clicked 20 ads within an hour until I found a good source for what I wanted -- and who actually delivered on the ad copy.

Check the quality of your ads. If they are mostly MFAs, like most ads, don't worry about 18. Don't contact Google until it's 180.

The deal is MFAs are in a tenuous position and they know it. You think they're going to complain to Google about click fraud when they use fraudulent ads and violate the TOS and are one close exam from getting banned forever?

Don't get into navel gazing with Adsense. There's already too much paranoia. If any advertiser thinks your site isn't converting, it can ban you. Now that Google allows unlimited bans, it's their problem, not yours.

There is so much fraud in Adwords. It's not just MFAs. I have major corps advertise on my site every day with misleading ads. Occasionally I right-click Google Ads to copy the target URL; then strip the link down to just the destination without Google's tracker so I don't "click on my own ads." Next I visit the ad target and find the fraud.

Point is many advertisers use fraud in their ads so they can't complain if people click on their ads promising what they don't deliver.

"Google, people keep clicking on my misleading ads and cost me money. Can you please do something about it?"

:/

p/g

jomaxx

6:29 am on Feb 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I agree that 18 clicks, or actions that are being interpreted as possible clicks by the tracking script, is nothing to worry about. However the rest of that post is nonsense. People don't get banned because an advertiser gathers the evidence together and demands a refund. Google has plenty of filters in place to trap invalid or "unnatural" activity.