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3:58 pm on Jan 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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How sites like youtube, metacafe and many other can show so many copyrighted materials, music clips, movies, tv serials, etc.
Google TOS forbid to use adsense on site with copyrighted materials.
But they have. Or the google TOS is only for small publishers.
What you think about that?
4:00 pm on Jan 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Well, as far as Youtube goes, Google owns it.
5:10 pm on Jan 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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All publishers are equal, but some publishers are more equal than others..
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>>>How sites like youtube, metacafe and many other can show so many copyrighted materials<<<

i haven't seen very much adsense on youtube clips that were posted by people who didn't own the copyright.

as for the rest of it, that's a good question.

8:48 pm on Jan 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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@surfer67 ok, but what about the other videos sites.
@Zygoot you are right.
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@surfer67 ok, but what about the other videos sites.

If they are posting copyrighted material, then they are in violation of the terms. It's not realy "if" since I have seen many clips from movies and televisions shows on these sites.

I'd be surprised if Google doesn't know that these sites are in violation. But I guess they're making big money from them so all is well. Nothing will be done until the rightful owners of the content protest. I remember reading somewhere that video sites could be facing big lawsuits in the future if they don't do a better job of monitoring copyrighted content. I know that there has already been a lawsuit filed against YouTube.

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Seems to me if Google is running ads on a site they own it is a conflict of interest and could generate litigation in the future. People are paying Google for the Adwords and then Google is turning around and keeping all the revenue from Adsense. Who is to say Google isn't only allowing the highest generating ads show on their site? All that said youtube doesn't use Adsense (not that I could find) but uses doubleclick.net, no idea if Google owns them...
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Seems to me if Google is running ads on a site they own it is a conflict of interest and could generate litigation in the future.

On what legal basis?

People are paying Google for the Adwords and then Google is turning around and keeping all the revenue from Adsense.

Really? Then why are so many of us getting payments from Google each month? :-)

Who is to say Google isn't only allowing the highest generating ads show on their site?

First of all, bids are for keywords, and many (most?) keywords won't even generate significant impression traffic on a site like YouTube.

Second, advertisers pay by the click, and if they find that they're paying premium rates for traffic that doesn't convert, they'll spend their money elsewhere.

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The above link says that youtube will now share revenue with users.

The revenue from adSense will now be shared with the people uploading the videos. This is an invitation for the teenage crowd to click their own ads! I guess G will not ban youtube? ;-)

There does seem to be a conflict of interest here.

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I don't see where on Youtube adsense is being used. If Google didn't think it would generate legal problems then why wouldn't they run adsense on it? Reasons could be litigation, they think the advertiser they do use is a better product or Youtube violates their own TOS for Adsense.
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Oh, and europeforvisitors, maybe your sites don't generate enough traffic to see it but you can make money from the number of ad impressions and not just clicks.
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BTW, Google already shows AdWords ads on a site they own: Google. So far no conflict of interest lawsuits yet.
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Agreed, no lawsuits yet. May never see any. AdWords says, "...we use the actual CPC rather than the maximum CPC when determining the ad position for these spots."

Google is having the highest bidder show on the search page taking those high bidders from other sites? I am asking more than implying.

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All that said youtube doesn't use Adsense (not that I could find) but uses doubleclick

YouTube uses adsense on the search results pages. Top 728x90 and right column 160x800.

Seems to me if Google is running ads on a site they own it is a conflict of interest and could generate litigation in the future.

I don't know about that. But where there may be a problem is Google running ads on pages with copyrighted content and keeping all the ad revenue from these pages.

Agreed, no lawsuits yet

YouTube was sued on July 14 2006 by Robert Tur, an independent photographer, for distributing his work without permission.

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Oh, and europeforvisitors, maybe your sites don't generate enough traffic to see it but you can make money from the number of ad impressions and not just clicks.

Actually, I make quite a bit of money from CPM ads, but what does that have to do with this discussion?

7:49 pm on Jan 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

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YouTube uses adsense on the search results pages. Top 728x90 and right column 160x800.

That's not AdSense. It is doubleclick.net ads.

[edited by: NavyCS at 7:49 pm (utc) on Jan. 28, 2007]

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Actually, I make quite a bit of money from CPM ads, but what does that have to do with this discussion?

I wondered if Google would place the highest paying ads, CPC and CPM included, on sites they own.

On a site like Youtube so many keywords and phrases are generated everyday by the naming and synopsis of the videos presented that a bunch of different AdWord advertisements would display that the AdWord client may not want. I would, depending on the products I was selling, bar a Youtube site from hosting the ad (strictly my opinion). I am rambling on and have moved away from the original topic, for that I apologize.

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That's not AdSense. It is doubleclick.net ads.

Doubleclick runs contexual advertising? But the ads say "Ads by Google"

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I used the search box on youtube and don't get anything that says "ads by google" I only get the graphic ads by doubleclick.
8:14 pm on Jan 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The ad code I get from youtube;

<!-- google_ad_section_start -->

<!-- begin ad tag -->
<script type="text/javascript">
ord=Math.random()*10000000000000000 + 1;
document.write('<script language="JavaScript" src="http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/you.results/_default;sz=728x90;kch=1600166264;kbg=FFFFFF;ksearch=more%20than%20a%20feeling;kr=F;ord=' + ord + '?" type="text/javascript"><\/script>');
</script>
<noscript><a
href="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/you.results/_default;sz=728x90;ord=123456789?" target="_blank"><img
src="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/you.results/_default;sz=728x90;ord=123456789?" width="728" height="90" border="0" alt=""></a>
</noscript>
<!-- End ad tag -->

8:19 pm on Jan 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I believe Doubleclick got out of ad sales a while back. They now focus on ad management products.

Maybe the Adsense ads on YouTube are geotargeted. What country are you in?

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I was thinking the same thing. Im in Memphis, TN.
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>>>Really? Then why are so many of us getting payments from Google each month? :-)<<<

way off-topic... this thread is about adsense on youtube, so he was obviously referring to google keeping the adsense revenue.

any rev sharing on youtube is months away.

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I see "ads by google" on the youtube search page, it is not doubleclick. On metacafe search page and also on every page with video below the video.
Ok, i search for Eminem clips for example, then i watching some, and below them i see ads by google. Maybe the Eminem clips are not copyrighed?

>Copyrighted Material
>Website publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with >content protected by copyright law unless they have the necessary >legal rights to display that content. Please see our DMCA policy for >more information.

Or maybe the adsense polices doesn't matter for the big fishes.

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Im in the central United States and don't see google ads, I have the doubleclick. Where are you and what do you see? When I watch a video I have absolutely no advertisements on the page.

[edited by: NavyCS at 12:41 pm (utc) on Jan. 29, 2007]

6:15 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>>>I see "ads by google" on the youtube search page, it is not doubleclick.<<<

in terms of definitively breaking the copyright, the ad should be on the page where the video clip is playing.

i searched metacafe for Eminem clips, and i didn't see what appeared to be adsense on the pages where the video was playing... the other possibility is that metacafe has licensed the use of the Eminem video clips.

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ok, i don't know to show picture is fine with the rulls.
Here is the picture:

@danimal you mean if the ads are showed in the search results page there is no problem, and the problem is only for the pages with video?

[edited by: jatar_k at 5:04 am (utc) on Jan. 30, 2007]
[edit reason] no links thanks [/edit]

11:37 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

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yes, putting adsense up with the actual video that's playing would be a major adsense tos violation, if the site owner didn't have permission to use the video from the copyright owner.

my last post inferred that it was a copyright violation, which was confusing... if the website is profiting off of content that they don't have permission to use, there could be more at stake in a u.s. court... as opposed to just using stolen content without adsense.

putting up frame grab pics in a search results page with adsense might be a gray area, because the frame grabs could be fair use... that has been done for years by major video search engines, i'd name 'em, but it's against the WebmasterWorld tos.

the adsense block in that pic doesn't look real.

12:07 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"the adsense block in that pic doesn't look real."

huh, it's real just opera shows it buggy.

Here is firefox screenshot:

[edited by: jatar_k at 5:04 am (utc) on Jan. 30, 2007]
[edit reason] no links thanks [/edit]

2:34 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Youtube shows Googles commitment to content is king... :)
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