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Dynamic Site vs Smartpricing Poll

         

noodlebox

4:57 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



Do you run a dynamic site?
Yes

Do you think you are smartpriced?
Yes

Poll serves one purpose, to see if a majority of smartpriced publishers is due that of dynamic page content (ads automaticaly reside in page content using a template site-wide) vs that of static page content (people write and place adsense ads between the content manualy.)

FourDegreez

5:07 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dynamic, yes.

Smartpriced, not that I'm aware of.

plasma

5:40 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[x] dynamic
[ ] smartpriced

europeforvisitors

5:43 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



I'm skeptical about unscientific polls, but in any case, you should edit your definition of "static page content" to include HTML flat files that don't involve manual placement of ads (e.g., static pages that use include files or FrontPage shared borders).

DamonHD

5:46 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I think that SmartPricing has very little to do with dynamic vs static (for many well-constructed sites it should be impossible to tell whether URLs are static or not), and lots to do with subject area and content.

For example, what ads within AS ToS would run on an adult dating site with a rude name? It would be a small subset, and they might be particularly unlikely to convert if the click-through takes more than (say) 30s (believe me, this is from discussions with "adult" payment providers).

If you don't provide value for advertisers you'll get few clicks or the value of each click will be SmartPriced down if it works as G seems to intend. Either way, your eCPM may be lower than you'd like; don't get greedy.

Rgds

Damon

hunderdown

7:12 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



Problem: isn't it possible that the kinds of sites that Google most wants to smartprice--sites with little content, pure MFAs, scrapers--are also most likely to use dynamic page-building techniques? Other people do too, of course, so please don't jump on me for this suggestion!

You seem to assume that Google might factor how a page was created into smartpricing. But isn't it possible that if a correlation exists, it's due to the coincidental correlation of "most likely to be smartpriced" with "dynamic page-building," and conversely of "least likely to be smartpriced" with static pages? So there can be a correlation but not a causative one.

I'm not explaining this well. Here's another way to put it. If the most heavily smartpriced sites are all dynamic, moderately smartpriced sites are 50/50, and unsmartpriced sites are only 25% dynamic, it might seem that the technique is triggering smartpricing, when it may just be a side-effect of the fact that lower-qualiity sites are more likely to be automated.

If someone else understands what I'm trying to say and can explain it better, please go ahead!

DamonHD

7:19 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Harold, you've explained it clearly I think.

For anyone not clear, just try Googling for something like "correlation is not causation".

I only WISH, fervently, that more "science" writers would understand this vital point and remember it before oversimplifying.

For example, in the UK nuclear power industry, at least when I last saw the figures, there is a lower incidence of most forms of illness including cancer for people working in the industry than in the general population. However gung-ho you are about nuclear power you would be hard pushed to believe that working in a nuclear reactor MAKES someone healthy.

Rgds

Damon

europeforvisitors

9:02 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



Problem: isn't it possible that the kinds of sites that Google most wants to smartprice--sites with little content, pure MFAs, scrapers--are also most likely to use dynamic page-building techniques?

No more so than news or community sites.

Plus, just because a site is computer-generated doesn't mean that it's a dynamic site. It's just as likely to consist of static HTML pages that have been spat out by a script.

hunderdown

9:14 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



EFV, I know other kinds of sites use such page-building methods--it's not 100% one way or the other.

Your other point reinforces my main argument, which is that the premise of this poll is flawed.

noodlebox

11:54 pm on Dec 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



However i was basicaly concirning the fact that if you have 100k dynamic page views , it would consit of the same position for each, in comparison to having 100k page views on static pages where as the placement has been manualy audited on each page to target CTR and match the page in colour, page location etc.

biscuit

12:31 am on Dec 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I believe the logical fallacy is called 'post hoc propter hoc', and the classic illustration is that, despite appearances, the crowing of a rooster does not cause the sun to rise.

Also, if Google did believe that dynamic sites were de facto low quality, wouldn't it clobber them in the serps too? We do two dynamic sites, both highly ranked for our main keywords.

hunderdown

4:26 am on Dec 31, 2006 (gmt 0)



However i was basicaly concirning the fact that if you have 100k dynamic page views , it would consit of the same position for each, in comparison to having 100k page views on static pages where as the placement has been manualy audited on each page to target CTR and match the page in colour, page location etc.

Thanks for clarifying. But again I have to ask you, why assume that *smart pricing* is the mechanism that is hurting the site that doesn't optimize compared to the site that does? What your example above seems to me to reflect is the difference in earnings caused by setting up a single page design for a site vs. tweaking like crazy. No need to point to smart pricing to explain the difference.

Lots of things can reduce earnings that aren't smart pricing. This is another one of those things.

jatar_k

6:09 am on Dec 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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also why assume

>> it would consit of the same position for each

why would you use a dynamic template that uses the same ad position for every page, I don't see this as being true for all dynamic sites, frankly I think it would be the opposite.

noodlebox

11:21 am on Dec 31, 2006 (gmt 0)



Could they be allowed to rand() the ads about the pages LOL