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Removed Excessive Keywords Meta - AdSense Doubled

         

iwannano1

5:14 pm on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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All I did was removed keywords and description Meta tags and voila! Just in case if you are using Meta tags try to remove them.

It took 48-72 hrs to show the effect. Excessive key words was big problem. Wish I had this info earlier. Since last 8-10 days I am constantly enjoying double income everyday.

Sweet Cognac

5:25 pm on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Are you serious? For the last month or so, the Google Search forum has been encouraging everyone to "add" their keywords and description Meta tags.

Maybe your adsense has doubled because of Christmas?
Regardless, I'll try your tip as a test on one of my sites.

Thanks

MThiessen

5:52 pm on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Judging from the topic of this post, I thought he only removed excessive keywords, which is a great idea. A gigantic keyword meta tag is very counter-productive. However, if you totally remove these tags, they will either use your DMOZ description, or the first snippet of text googlebot comes to. Is that a better description then what you could write on your own?

A few questions:

A. Was the tags you totally removed, redundant?
B. Did the meta keyword tag contain words not on the page, and an excessive amount of words?
C. (kinda like A.) Were you using the same exact tags on every page?

I found that on my forum, removing these two meta tags was helpful, that's because if you stuck a meta desc. and meta keyw. in the template, then all the forum pages had the same ones. REmoving them AND checking the text positioning to make sure the first paragraph of the post became the snippet, worked wonders.

Also putting the "topic" variable in the title tag created unique and relevant title tags for the page.

So, for a forum I recommend this too, but for a static site, you may want to just focus on a more accurate re-write of these tags.

netchicken1

6:08 pm on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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On my forum I made the title of the thread the meta description, and the first 10 words the meta keywords.

So every thread has unique tags.

I badgered the developers of the forum to make the code for me.

Works for me, google indexes the threads really well now.

rbacal

6:09 pm on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)



A gigantic keyword meta tag is very counter-productive. However, if you totally remove these tags, they will either use your DMOZ description, or the first snippet of text googlebot comes to.

I believe he was talking about the keywords metatag which has nothing to do with what you indicated. You are talking about the description metatag.

ronburk

6:19 pm on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I brushed my dog and my average daily income in December so far is nearly twice what it was in November. Both of these things are true, they just probably don't have anything to do with each other. Especially, given that the variance in my daily income over the last year is very high.

So, what was the standard variance in your daily income over the last year? I'm guessing it's so high that a recent, short-term doubling of income is not statistically significant, however exciting and significant it may "feel".

nastyed

6:20 pm on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Nice tips! thanks a lot, i think there should be a sub folder just for Forum owners...

-ed

iwannano1

6:34 pm on Dec 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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First let me clarify I have no idea how it works!

Maybe your adsense has doubled because of Christmas?

Noop, my site is not at all related to products reviews; it is a plain information portal and community driven forum, popular among the students and job seekers.

A. Was the tags you totally removed, redundant?

Yup, I did removed both keywords and description meta tags all together. I had specially developed mod for unique keywords and description, besides we use to edit forum topic titles and keywords as per our requirements using same mod via Admin CP.

B. Did the meta keyword tag contain words not on the page, and an excessive amount of words?

No, around 10-12 keywords per page

C. (kinda like A.) Were you using the same exact tags on every page?

Noop

MThiessen

12:20 am on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I believe he was talking about the keywords metatag which has nothing to do with what you indicated. You are talking about the description metatag.

No I was talking about both tags, hench the word "tags" plural in what I said... He got it anyway...

to be clearer for you, if the KEYWORD meta tag is gigantic, it is counter -productive. If you remove the DESCRIPTION meta tag, G will use either your DMOZ description or the first snippet of text it comes to. Perhaps I should have said this clearer the first time, sorry.

[edited by: MThiessen at 12:23 am (utc) on Dec. 9, 2006]

ndaru

1:48 am on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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iwannano1, are you using phpBB?

Pengi

7:59 am on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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So how many keywords in the metatags is considered to be acceptable?

iwannano1

8:12 am on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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are you using phpBB?

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john5000

11:45 am on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>popular among the students and job seekers<<

maybe you're getting ads about extra income for the holidays. a lot of people look for extra work this time of year.

iwannano1

12:02 pm on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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...G will use either your DMOZ description...

According to Google ( [sitemaps.blogspot.com...] ):
The way we generate the descriptions (snippets) that appear under a page in the search results is completely automated. The process uses both the content on a page as well as references to it that appear on other sites.

One source we use to generate snippets is the Open Directory Project, or ODP. Some site owners want to be to able to request not using the ODP for generating snippets, and we're happy to let you all know we've added support for this. All you have to do is add a meta tag to your pages.

To direct all search engines that support the meta tag not to use ODP information for the page's description, use the following:

<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOODP">
OR
<META NAME="GOOGLEBOT" CONTENT="NOODP">

This way you can force G not to use DMOZ description.

...the first snippet of text...

Noop.. G shows related content and not just first snippet; please correct me if I am wrong

MThiessen

3:54 pm on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It has been the first snippet of text in my experiance. I had a problem where they were showing things like "Author date posted views etc" because this appeared above the post body. I little rearanging to get the post body first worked wonders, now the description snippet is the first few lines of the post, and not the post data.

MThiessen

4:08 pm on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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So how many keywords in the metatags is considered to be acceptable?

This is hard to say. However, a good rule of thumb is Do NOT put in keywords that are either irrelevant to the site, or do not appear on the page at all.

On many of my most successful pages you might be lucky to find 5 or keywords, but on other pages there are about 20 to 30. However, all the words do appear on the page and are relevant, I think that is the key.

gamiziuk

6:30 pm on Dec 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I recall reading way-back-when that the maximum number was 255 characters for the description and keyword meta tags. That's CHARACTERS, not words.

Of course, that was back in the "olden" days when those meta tags carried more weight.

MThiessen

10:20 pm on Dec 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think it may be a bit more lenient now as long as your keywords fit the site and appear on the page. If you have not violated this it might get truncatated (God I cant spell.. uhm.. cut off?) but I think, from what I have seen in my own sites, is "size is not important" (ladies hush hehe) but what is in the tag itself that matters.

nastyed

2:21 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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After reading this topic i went back to my website and did the following program to get the current page keywords:

FYI im talking about a Forum site

I did a function that spits out the KEYWORDS String.

Input Parameters:

1- Message ID
2- Number of keywords i want to return - I set it to 10 for now
3- Minimum letters that a word have to have, to be consifered a keyword - (discarding the-for-my-it etc...)

Process

1- I get the message from the DB
2- I grab ALL the message text, main message and all it's answers
3- I remove HTML code and put it all in Lower case
4- I apply some censor Function to remove dirty words.....(did i mention my site was about heavy metal and underground music ;) )
5- I remove words that lenght is less than desired
6- i group them and count matches
7- I Sort the list
8- I display just the number of keywords i asked

Seems to be working very nice, now by just the keywords tag i can tell what is the topic about, the only problem is that since i've updated my site 2 days ago, with this new keyword google hasnt refreshed my sites cached pages.

I have 83,300 indexed pages in G, i dont know if he's re indexing them all again, and do some calculation, cause of the Keysords Change, i check usually the organic referred visits to my site, and when i look at what G shows for the Cached version of the page, my new keywords are not there yet.

How long should i wait? or this means something went bad in my new implementation?

Thanks

MThiessen

2:24 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Look at it in webmaster tools. It is almost guarrenteed to take longer then 2 days. A site I have with a forum takes almost a full month for sitewide changes to get cached sitewide.