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Question is: do you think it is legal? In the TOS it is mentioned that there has to be content on the page where ads are shown - could it be a problem when content shows up about 2 seconds later? :) I mean 2 seconds are not much and people are forced to look at the ads and read them. So why not?
Or is it 'just' source ordering or a quirk of the page load time and rendering engine?
If you are intentionally (i.e. the first option above) delaying loading then you are certainly not going to pass the TOS. If it's something 'normal' but quirky then you will probably be okay.
I get 8% on a forum without any such techniques... there are other ways!
Actually I always wanted to do that, but couldn't find a way ;)
So first Adsense ads load, then the real content, then the affiliate ads. And Google allows affiliate ads in connection with Adsense don't they?
[edited by: HuhuFruFru at 3:07 pm (utc) on Aug. 8, 2006]
And Google allows affiliate ads in connection with Adsense don't they?
Google doesn't allow any ads "in connection" with Adsense, but does allow affiliate ads (as long as they do not mimic Adsense ads) to coexist with them.
But isn't that drifting away from the original message?
You wanted to know if purposely holding back content until after Adsense ads load, is against the TOS.
I would say: "Yes."
As I said I didn't do it on purpose, it is a side-effect of the new affiliate ads which don't mimic Adsense ads in any way. Maybe the thread title is a little bit irritating.
But do you really think I should ask Google? What should I ask - why the Adsense ads load so fast? ;) I mean it's not really my fault, is it?
[edited by: HuhuFruFru at 3:22 pm (utc) on Aug. 8, 2006]
Weighing bookmarks vs. ad clicks: If you choose ad clicks you are loosing on the long run, it is traffic that you are selling after all, and without much of it your site is dead to advertisers.
In the rainy days when EPC is low, and everyone here is screaming with earnings drop, you will have your traffic to fall back on and keep you warm.
In the worst case scenario, if Google folds or kicks you out, with decent traffic you will have no trouble switching to another network, what's a 10k drop when you are earning 100k?
I know we blend to raise CTR, but no content and just ads for a few seconds is kind of extreme to me.
That is unless you have no confidence in your content, then the sooner they exit through an ad the better.
I think you are OK.
Maybe, or maybe not. Consider:
- Google can shut down an account for any reason, at any time (just as a publisher can withdraw from the AdSense for any reason, at any time). If a site is delivering enough junk traffic to advertisers to trigger a review, who's to say that a Google employee might not give a thumbs-down in a case like this? (Google isn't a court of law, and it doesn't have to prove guilt.)
- Traffic that doesn't convert could lead to bigger "smart pricing" discounts for advertisers, in which case the OP may find himself starting another of the "My EPC has dropped to mere pennies" threads on this forum.
But do you really think I should ask Google?
absolutely. we are no adsense support team and we are not the ones that decide to ban or reinstate you.
[edited by: moTi at 4:15 pm (utc) on Aug. 8, 2006]
This is an old trick from banner ads in the 1990s, and it was obvious even then that it was a deliberate ploy to force ads views. So IMO it's likely to trigger complaints sooner or later, at which point our opinion becomes irrelevant. If Google decides this constitutes "undue attention", you're history. If not, you're good.
"and people are forced to look at the ads and read them."
I would never visit yor site if you "force" people to you your will...
Shame on you.
You expect your site to grow with this strategy?
I think this board should adopt some ethical stanards and stand for something, except only money.
I don't think HuhuFruFru has done anything wrong. Is it his fault the ads show up first? It's just quirky that's all. The OP's title is wrong, he didn't find a way, it found him.
On my pages the ads show up last, and visitors have already scrolled to the bottom before they load. :(
If you're like Alex and don't trust Google enough to ask them whether a certain implementation is allowed, then you'd better not bend the rules at all.
If you don't trust them, why do business with them in the first place?
I don't think HuhuFruFru has done anything wrong. Is it his fault the ads show up first? It's just quirky that's all.
Whether theh OP has done anything wrong is beside the point. If Google does not like the way you are serving ads, they can cut you off. Of course, it is even more likely if they think you are actually trying to do it, but the fact that it is happening in the first place is more than enough reason.
he didn't find a way, it found him.
On my pages the ads show up last, and visitors have already scrolled to the bottom before they load.
Is the fact that people notice the ad against TOS? If that is the case, then why show us a heatmap?
I have seen this on many sites (not just with adsense). Just type this in to googles search (with quotes):
"xml parse class php"
Click the first result.
That page has been doing it for a long time.
Many times, it is just due to server lag time, waiting on an include, graphic, frame, etc., that can cause such behavior. I have seen some sites do this on purpose to make sure the page is fully rendered before presented to the user.
I'm not going to take a specific position because I haven't seen the website, but what's wrong with simply asking Google?
I think you are OK.
You may not have deliberately caused this "interval", however by trying to capitalise on it you are going against the 'spirit' of Google's TOS. Having said that I don't think that Google will even notice you, as there are may MFA Masters out there blatantly flouting TOS who are getting away with far more than you are. As others have probably mentioned the crunch will come when Google determines through it's conversion data, that your ads are not being clicked for the right reasons. That is presuming this "interval" is actually causing people to click on the ads.
There are much better ways of raising ctr and those ways relate more to targeting good content to potential buyers.
If they say no, correct it and go back to regular business.
If you don't ask you have your butt nine miles in the air.
And yes you could run the risk of getting smartpriced from the higher CTR if the clicks don't convert. Your rolling the dice on that one.
[edited by: Khensu at 2:24 am (utc) on Aug. 9, 2006]