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Poll On Website Asks Visitors About Ads

Is this a good thing?

         

maxgoldie

11:21 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I came across this site ...

It has a poll on the left-side asking visitors "What do you think about Google Text Ads?" with several options.

Is this legit to do this? and if so, could it be a good thing?

[edited by: rogerd at 4:35 pm (utc) on Mar. 6, 2006]
[edit reason] no specifics, please [/edit]

celgins

11:34 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Not sure if it's legit, but I question the motive behind the poll.

Why would a site owner care what others think about Google ads? If the question were more general and asked about all ads (i.e. banners, pop-ups, pop-unders, etc.) then I could understand it.

maxgoldie

11:38 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Why would a site owner care what others think about Google ads?

That is a good question. I never seen this before, that is why it seems odd.

joaquin112

11:41 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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he is drawing attention to the ADS so it's against the TOS.

sven1977

2:47 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Very very fishy!
In particular because the first option to answer is something like "I often click on Text ads to support free-software projects". Helloo? This tells the visitors that the pageowner is getting paid by clicking his/her ads. Definitely a big no for me.

I actually participated in the vote and found that 12% of the users selected exactly that option. So 12% of his/her users click on the ads only to support that website.

Andrew Bassett

3:44 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It's a manipulative way to "guilt" the visitors into falsely clicking the ads. "Implying" to users that they should illegitimately click ads is just as bad as directly asking them to.

Would it be against the rules to ask users to "Occasionally glance at the ads" without specifying Google?

trillianjedi

3:48 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Would it be against the rules to ask users to "Occasionally glance at the ads" without specifying Google?

Is that a rhetorical question?

If not, the answer is yes. Anything "drawing attention" to the ads is against the TOS.

mzanzig

4:25 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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First of all, I remember a thread were either ASA or Adsense support actually approved the general case of opinion polls in combination with (Adsense) ads. Maybe someone could find that thread? That should shed some

Second, I did a survey on my site and asked my visitors what they think about the ads on my site. More specifically, I asked them whether they regard them as useful or annoying. The rationale for this question was simple: If they did not like the ads, I would have considered pulling the ads from the site. But guess what? They came back saying that they found the ads useful, mainly because they enhanced the content of the site. Go figure.

jomaxx

4:39 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"I often click on Text ads to support free-software projects."

Right. And the site just so happens to be a free-software project. This is blatant begging for clicks.

Jafo

5:03 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Anything "drawing attention" to the ads is against the TOS.

So why do they let you modify the colors and backgrounds of ads? Half the idea of the Heat Map is about drawing attention to ads.

Marcia

5:11 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>So why do they let you modify the colors and backgrounds of ads?

That's the ads themselves being made more "clickable" which is completely different from text put on the page asking "pleeeeeze help us get income by clicking the ads."

Andrew Bassett

5:14 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"If not, the answer is yes. Anything "drawing attention" to the ads is against the TOS. "

This is obviously not true. Effective placement and high-contrast colors is a way of drawing attention. I think that the issue is with enticing "uninterested" clicks.

[edited by: Andrew_Bassett at 5:18 pm (utc) on Mar. 6, 2006]

celgins

5:15 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The Heat-Map is there as a guide for publishers and is based on the way humans naturally view pages. This, "natural" viewing will allow visitors to find those ads on their own.

But to blatantly say, ... "Look in the top left corner for ads. When you see them, decide whether or not you wish to click them." ... is a violation of the TOS.

trillianjedi

5:23 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Andrew - you're right, my bad. The actual terminology used by Google is "undue attention" (my emphasis). Obviously "undue" would not include anything which AdSense positively encourages, like prominent placement and colour schemes.

Here's the full clause from AdSense Policies

Incentives

Web pages may not include incentives of any kind for users to click on ads. This includes encouraging users to click on the ads or to visit the advertisers' sites as well as drawing any undue attention to the ads. For example, your site cannot contain phrases such as "click here," "support us," "visit these links," or other similar language that could apply to any ad, regardless of content. These activities are strictly prohibited in order to avoid potential inflation of advertiser costs. In addition, publishers may not bring unnatural attention to sites displaying ads or referral buttons through unsolicited mass emails or unwanted advertisements on third-party websites. Publishers are also not permitted to use deceptive or unnatural means to draw attention to or incite clicks on referral buttons.

[google.com...]

Jafo

7:48 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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But to blatantly say, ... "Look in the top left corner for ads. When you see them, decide whether or not you wish to click them." ... is a violation of the TOS

Funny, from what I have read, the poll doesn't say that.

We had a similiar poll on a site I work on just to see if anyone was freaking out about the ads.

celgins

7:52 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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No the poll doesn't say that, but Google's TOS clearly states that it is against policy to draw undue attention to the ads.

Setting up a poll to ask about those ads may be considered, "undue" attention.

humblebeginnings

7:58 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I just did the sniff-test and it smells a bit fishy to me. It wouldn't surprise me if G considers this "undue attention". I wouldn't try this kind of risky stuff unless I made sure G approves to it.

Andrew Bassett

8:19 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Web pages may not include incentives of any kind for users to click on ads. This includes encouraging users to click on the ads or to visit the advertisers' sites as well as drawing any undue attention to the ads. For example, your site cannot contain phrases such as "click here," "support us," "visit these links," or other similar language that could apply to any ad, regardless of content. These activities are strictly prohibited in order to avoid potential inflation of advertiser costs. In addition, publishers may not bring unnatural attention to sites displaying ads or referral buttons through unsolicited mass emails or unwanted advertisements on third-party websites. Publishers are also not permitted to use deceptive or unnatural means to draw attention to or incite clicks on referral buttons.

It seems like it's still within the TOS to encourage users to "occasionally glance" at the ads, with no instruction to "click" on them.

joaquin112

8:35 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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as well as drawing any undue attention to the ads

Nope. It's illegal.

martinibuster

9:33 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It seems like it's still within the TOS

>>>Nope. It's illegal.

>>> it smells a bit fishy to me.

>>>Setting up a poll to ask about those ads may be considered, "undue" attention.

Smells weird to me, too. But just because some webmasters think it's undue attention, doesn't mean it is. Most will agree that it's borderline, so it's probably a good idea to get something like this approved by the AdSense team by email.

malachite

10:07 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If one of the poll questions is something like:

"I often click on Text ads to support free-software projects"

then isn't this just another version of:

"Help keep this site free by clicking on our sponsors ads"

which was mentioned in another thread? I'd say by making readers aware they're "contributing" the equivalent of a "tip" it was unduly drawing users attention to the ads, and also not likely to lead to conversions for the advertisers.

Just my 2p, but I wouldn't be trying it unless I'd had prior approval from Google.

jomaxx

10:29 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I agree. The suggestion that some people click to support the project, even the idea that bogus clicking DOES do anyone any good, is clearly intended to generate extra clicks.

It kind of reminds me of those fake opinion polls that political parties conduct during election campaigns. "Does the fact that XXXX has been accused of misusing public funds make you less likely to vote for him?" That sort of thing.

AdSenseAdvisor

10:44 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Though I can't comment on the specific poll, my post on the following thread explains 'natural' versus undue attention, and should provide you with guidance on our program policies:

[webmasterworld.com...]