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Absolutely disgusting! What can be done about this type of "service"? I especially like the bit about the "anti copying" measures put in place...
[edited by: martinibuster at 6:13 pm (utc) on Nov. 29, 2005]
[edit reason] Edited out website specifics to prevent outing. Thanks. [/edit]
We make google money.
Besides, who says I make all of my money off of google adsense? Theres a boatload of another affiliate programs that I promote for sales.
Considering you think the best way to promote your scraper [webmasterworld.com] sites [webmasterworld.com] is to link to them from your PR4 domain [webmasterworld.com] and offer prizes for visitors [webmasterworld.com], I think you should probably leave the 'i'm the king of the blackhats' stuff to DaveN, eh?
Just because I make BH sites doesn't mean I don't also have white hat sites as well - which those threads were referring to.
Hope you had fun wasting time finding my old posts, I just threw up 100 more domains, good night now.
Night night!
Interestingly they were not listed in the Google SERPs, their promotional text did not appear anywhere!
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But there are other search engines.
Errr...yes...however when attempting to promote a Google scam-selling programme it would be pretty useful to be listed in the SERPs of the company one is supposedly "selling the scam" to?
No offence meant...
thats why a google adsense rep contacted ME regarding ways to get a higher CTR on my sites.
Do these people only contact US-based Adsensers?
Blase statments like this pi$$e$ me off you know...
Other search engines....
Errr...yes...however when attempting to promote a Google scam-selling programme
My "Other search engines" comment was directed at the comment mentioning that the site couldn't be found in Google and the anti-outting edit/comment in the first post.
I just threw up 100 more domains, good night now."Threw up" being the operative word there.
Drug dealers have honor? How do you know?
Geez, Joe, you had us all fooled!
I thought you said you were gonna go nighty night and vomit up some more domains.
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Drug dealers have honor? How do you know?They're good friends.
Thank You, very very much!
look at the posts of these mfa guys, would you like to get anyone of them to know in real life? i don't. in their posts, they show their displeasing low character. i simply call them bad people.
in your complete egoism, you forget, that life isn't only about the money. aim to live proper and honestly. in retrospective, would you like people not finding any good qualities in what you have achieved? a life bringing nothing else about but ripping off others? you don't want people spitting on your grave..
ethical issue.
Ha. Like Google putting copyrighted works on the internet without the permission of the publishers?
They don't like to worsen the noise to signal ratio of the internet.
Like webmasters who produce pages and pages of useless and/or repetitive content just to increase their page rank?
ethical issue.Ha. Like Google putting copyrighted works on the internet without the permission of the publishers?
They don't like to worsen the noise to signal ratio of the internet.
Like webmasters who produce pages and pages of useless and/or repetitive content just to increase their page rank?
As you are quoting me here, I feel the need to respond.
>>Ha. Like Google putting copyrighted works on the internet without the permission of the publishers?
Indeed the ethics of this could be debated. Although I'm not sure why this is relevant to this discussion.
>>Like webmasters who produce pages and pages of useless and/or repetitive content just to increase their page rank?
Again, IMO that's accurate. Are you accusing me of this, or are you just providing examples of other possibly inethical tactics for informational purposes? I can assure you that I am neither Google, nor do I care about, or try to inflate Page Rank :P
Are you accusing me of this, or are you just providing examples of other possibly inethical tactics for informational purposes?
No. I'm saying that discussions about ethical behavior in the online world are basically useless and that for every webmaster out there cluttering the web with MFA sites, there is another cluttering up the web with pages and pages of useless content. No one is an angel.
No one is an angel.
Perhaps not, but as a justification for acting unethically I find this argument tedious.
I'm saying that discussions about ethical behavior in the online world are basically useless
Just because you find the distinction between ethical and unethical unclear, does not mean the same applies to everybody else.
Don't you guys think that when people are pulling in 5+ figures a month, and putting up 100,000 (which is probably a low number for alot of people) new pages per week, google knows what they're doing?
I mean - really now . . .
I'm not defending or attacking bh people.
But here's the cold, hard reality that no amount of name calling and wishfull thinking is going to change:
Many of us who have been working on good content sites for years are getting smartpriced off the map.
Those same sites that you're working on for years? Google tanks them from the serps, on arbitrary algo changes.
But you're still a genius. You'll build another, better site, that will climb back up to the top and bring in lots of traffic for you. Oh, sorry. That's not going to happen. Imaginary sandbox.
And then, when you do get decent listings in google, the ads that would be running on your site and earning you revenue are on the google search results with your page, more or less using your content, and the other 10 people under you, so that google makes a profit, and the end user/surfer ends up by-passing your site altogether in favor of the adwords on google search results.
So you're screwed. You decide that you'll go other routes. You'll monetize your site with something other than adsense. BUT YOUR TRAFFIC IS GONE because the google scrape of your site can't compete with the ad copy written by marketers!
What do you do? You need traffic. YOU SIGN UP FOR ADWORDS. Hahaha. Can anyone not see how it's google that's gaming everything, and not the BH guys?
On the other hand, the bh guys are making google tons of money. As long as they're not clicking on their own ads or running other contextual ads or something, google probably won't ban them from adsense.
They'll protect face by de-indexing some pages. But the bh guys can build them faster than google de-indexes them. And they COULD do it alot faster. THEY DON'T WANT TO.
I'm not one of those conspiracy guys. I am not anti-google. But I really believe some of you are missing the forest for the trees. Google is the real BH mafia.
They'll scrape your site and take your advertising business.
They'll nix your traffic until you're virtually extorted into paying for adwords, the lions share of which, they'll keep.
AND THEN - This is the real kicker - They #*$! you out to get new adwords advertisers with their advertise here stuff.
Maybe Black Hat guys are bad. I don't think they're similar to drug dealers or anything. That's ridiculous and a rational person knows it.
But following the analogy - The black hat guys are dimebag street hustling drug dealers, and Google is the Medellin cartel!
Just because you find the distinction between ethical and unethical unclear, does not mean the same applies to everybody else.
I know the difference in my opinion. You know the difference in your opinion. My point is that neither opinion matters.
My point is that neither opinion matters.
Is that a semantic argument? A philosophical one? An emotivist one?
You could argue that ethics do not exist, which is beyond the scope of this particular thread. But I would suggest that the presence of human ethics is pervasive and demonstrable - hence my original post regarding JoeT321 and his initial suggestion that everyone is unethical, which quickly reverted to a celebration of unethical behaviour.
This is one of the kinds of things that some consider ethical and others consider unethical that I'm talking about.
