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Google Updates and SERP Changes - August 2020

         

samwest

11:42 am on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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System: The following 11 messages were cut out of thread at: https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/5001046.htm [webmasterworld.com] by goodroi - 3:44 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (utc -5)


August 1st. Big SERP changes and not a single conversion in the past 48 hours. The number 1 result for several of my test queries is now....drum roll please...a single PINTEREST pin....with no followers. Is this Googles idea of a "quality user expetience" and is EAT out the window or is everything just broken? Again...

With no on site changes...bounce was dropping every day for the last few weeks...now over the last two days bounce is way up so traffic behavior has suddenly changed for the worse....which indicates a large algo change.

Anyone else seeing this?

ichthyous

12:28 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing the same thing...traffic died from Thursday 30th around 1pm, then Friday 31st and so far Sat 1st is even worse. I am only seeing minor fluctuations in ranking and have gained ten top ten spots for more long tail searches that bring in little traffic and lost one top three spot in that time.

I am not seeing Pinterest in the top ten spots for my terms so much, but what had happened across the board is the top 10 spots are ALL how-to articles from little known blogs without any DR that came from nowhere. For one term I just checked that I ranked #1 for almost a decade until May, of the top 12 spots no fewer than ten were cheap crappy blog posts containing the work "tips" in the url and page title...my site is now at #13.

Google has decided that how-to and tips articles are the only thing people want to see apparently. Is this just a poorly thought out algo adjustment or AI? I doubt it, Google does nothing without the intent of shoveling more revenue into its coffers. More likely they are driving down any content with even the slightest hint of commercial / retail / sales intent and driving up blogs that are running ads. Domain rank and inbound links accumulated over years are much reduced as ranking factors as far as I can tell. Anyone else seeing similar?

[edited by: ichthyous at 12:51 pm (utc) on Aug 1, 2020]

seomotionz

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John Mueller is saying now that Links are not the most important SEO factor.

[seroundtable.com...]

What a rubbish?! Google is now officially misleading people. Why don't they just say directly! Give us your money (invest in ads) & we will give you rankings as well.

samwest

1:31 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Can't get more than two consecutive visits all day...looks like a hard clamp. Take a look at this trend and notice the hard clamp for the past few weeks. Was seeing a very nice recovery earlier this year, but at the last update, where Google reports say position is unchanged, in fact up by .07 %, yet the hard clamp is very apparent. Last few week totally flat. Throttled. [imgur.com...]

MayankParmar

1:46 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Discover has again died :/

RedBar

2:27 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@ichthyous
We await your response with bated breath...

The easy answer would be to say nothing and to let people try and figure it out for themselves however IMHO it is very important for newbies especially to understand the importance of examining competitors' websites and long-termism.

Firstly, just to give you an idea of this year's improvement for my own B2B sites:

Site 1 traffic July v June +29.4%, July v January +62.8%

Site 2 traffic July v June +14.5%, July v January +118.9%

When I make alterations / improvements / modifications / etc I very rarely do them on the spur of the moment, I usually think about it for weeks and months and evaluate what I'm going to do since I know what I do will have a substantial impact therefore I need to know I'm as possibly correct as I can be.

I already knew the sites were good, both have completely different but great template designs yet there had to be a "reason" why I was being outranked and especially so when my competitors' sites were not as good, in many different people's opinions, nor provided as good information.

Having reviewed their sites over several years and watched their performances, what did they have that mine did not? Why did I rank easily for less popular keyword widgets but only for some of the more popular ones?

1. Was there anything they were doing that I didn't such as social?

I used to do social however it was a waste of time with very little interaction and in B2B especially it doesn't seem to be something trade BUYERS want to discuss, basically they're playing their cards close to their chest. I used to be a very large wholesale buyer therefore I understood this.

2. What did they have in their source code that I didn't?

Quite simply all of them were running squeaky-clean sites:-) However I've never seen so much code-bloat and especially amongst those using WP. Nothing secretive was going on.

3. What did they show on-page that I didn't?

Quite simply, here were my answers, two of them:

1. Some descriptive product text on each page that I never included simply because each specifier / buyer would already know this therefore for 27 years have NEVER, ever found it necessary to include!

2. All of them were displaying more, mostly good, product images than me ... all of them.

So I took one specific page late last summer, August / September, and modified it to incorporate the additional text and a couple of new and unique images. By earl October I had my answer, this worked and I saw this page go from the mid 20s through the teens and is now #1.

Therefore in October I started to modify every page on both sites, Site 1 was done first and its traffic improved by 42.3% between August and December 2019. Site 2 I started in November / December and January 2020 was when the mods came to be noticed when an 11.25% increase was recorded and since then it has more than doubled.

No magic bullets, no luck involved, simply hard work and experience plus the willingness to accept that I was not doing something my competitors were.

The 3 month update I referred to was for a UK specialist B2C widget site I went through during the early days of lockdown and made some subtle however very significant improvements, compared to January 2020 it is +22.9% and July 2019 +74.1%.

Guess what?

I'm considering melding these two sites:-)))

nomis5

3:02 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Excellent points from Red Bar above.

"Long-termism", it's the only way to go, I look to medium-termism for most site changes - only expecting results in 3 to 6 months time. I also look to long-termism as far as my website is structured and the general principles behind it.

"No magic bullets", newbies spend far too much time looking for magic bullets. They occur once in a blue moon and, if they do occur, they are just a random thought which drops into your consciousness.

"Hard work", research, self belief and sheer obstinate perseverance are the most undervalued attributes which contribute to a successful website.

ichthyous

5:15 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@RedBar Thanks for the reply...wow, a few things you mentioned I have been working on for ten days now. #1) Updating the descriptions of my "products" and adding more unique descriptive text to the page. #2) Working on adding more images to each page of the product...however this is a tall order for my site and will take months to create so many new images if I customize them all. I can only add multiple generic images of "options" that pertain to them all for now.

Keep in mind...my site also skyrocketed from late August 2019 and stayed high through end of December 2019 with no changes. January 2020 it all came to a screeching halt when Google started rolling out page design updates across more and more terms thank knocked out traffic to my landing pages one by one. I'm not the only one who saw this...nobody has been spared. The more interesting fact is that you increased in 2020. That hasn't been easy since multiple factors are at play and e-commerce sites have dropped off a cliff, at least in my field. I've seen it across the board with my competitors too...we all dropped.

Having said that...not sure if these changes will make much of a difference for me. The main issue is that #1 Google pushed organic search results off the first page even more in January, and #2 In May all top ten slots for many of my highest traffic terms were taken over by "tips" and "how to" articles and blog posts. Most of my retail competitors vanished too. It's not as specialized a field as yours perhaps

[edited by: ichthyous at 6:29 pm (utc) on Aug 1, 2020]

Treud

5:37 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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The last few days, Organic traffic is going x2 and after /2 everyday :D

Roller coaster !

ichthyous

6:17 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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My USA traffic is down 60% today...my traffic from the UK is higher than USA...crazy. You are right @Treud traffic is a yo-yo these days, but it's the trend that counts and the overall trend is lower.

Treud

6:29 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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My overall ranking was stable for the last 3 months. Let’s round up to 10th . The last few days it’s 8th 27th after back to 8 then back to 30th. Never seen that shifts that big since 1 year.

samwest

10:09 pm on Aug 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@RedBar - you mean you improved but didn't have to plaster adsense all over your site?
You should feel blessed indeed.
In my vertical, the sites at the top with "longterism" have no less than 10 on page adsense ads...and they dominate the top with weak content ie: mindless listings of the "top ten blue widget" sites. I refuse to match their "longterism" techniques in favor of a better, less ad filled user experience with actual takeaway value....but it doesn't get me far.

Much of what I lost over the years is long tail from my huge number of original images (when my site was in the Alexa top 100k) ...which at one point were constantly being scraped to the point of me having to file DMCA take down requests on those scraper sites. The problem then is that once I filed a DMCA, I got tagged and the Google SERPS would include a "chilling effects" notice (as if I committed some crime by reporting the scrapers crime)...and there has never been a recovery of any of those images.
Out of thousands of images, today I only rank on a handful.

Treud

5:52 am on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@samwest
I had same experience with pictures 2 years ago. Even if my images are from my suppliers at these times we were one of the first to put them online for a few weeks. Then one day I discovered than most of the images were de-indexed.
I don’t know the reason why. Probably it’s because it’s not my images but I can still find them on google images on other sites.

My issue is now I start a website with my very own pictures. And I don’t really know how to protect myself from scrappers ...

renatovieira

12:00 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Two of my sites with similar content have been in high traffic since yesterday.

Today it remains high and growing. AdSense also with high earnings.

Unfortunately I can't celebrate, G always after that, comes with an unpleasant surprise... :-(

JesterMagic

2:00 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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This was originally posted here but my post along with a few others got moved to another thread but this part of it is relevant here:

The FAQ structured data is running rampant in our niche again. Sites are using it in the hopes it increases rankings... which it may do but then all it does is keep users on Google as Google is just displaying the content itself.

I also have found that increased advertising on a lot of sites has gotten rampant. It's to the point were I just will not read articles anymore unless they really interest me.

I'm also in an area for the past month were I have to watch my bandwidth as it is metered. Funny enough Chrome on my Android phone doesn't allow me to disable autoplay of videos, only sound. What a load of crap is that?

StupidIntelligent

2:05 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@MayankParmar - Has discover recovered for you today?

ichthyous

2:39 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@Samwest There was a massive and swift decline in ranking of images with the May 4th update. I've lost 2/3 of the impressions and clicks to my site from images according to GSC. It has not improved at all, that traffic is still at a low.

StupidIntelligent

2:47 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Well whatever it was in the past few days seems to be reverting back today.

samwest

3:25 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@ichthyous - seems like Pinterest is being groomed for acquisition. Perhaps to replace the faulty image search.

@SI - I concur....for the moment.

mhansen

4:54 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@JesterMagic - Re: The FAQ structured data

I'm seeing similar in my neck of the SERP's. Instead of G showing it's own Q&A widget, they are also showing Q&A structured data within the organic listings, beneath the domain who are providing them. In effect, if you're lucky, you get 4-5 related FAQ's from your own site, posted within your organic listing.

Looks like it's time to do stuff for search again, and post topical FAQ's on individual pages.

MayankParmar

5:38 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@StupidIntelligent No, it's still dead :(

ichthyous

5:43 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@samwest - There was nothing wrong with image search. Google either completely changed how images rank, or are just using GI as another cudgel to hit us over the head with. Starting from May 4th all the images I had ranking for short tail searches dropped off. I am only ranking for very specific long tail searches now. It took about a month of a steady daily decline to lose two thirds.

ichthyous

8:31 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Very odd rotation in traffic on a day to day basis now. Yesterday a 25+% drop in USA traffic, today up 25%. UK traffic was up 38% yesterday, today down 45%. Yesterday an 80% drop in traffic from Australia, and today not one visitor from Australia. Australia has been one of my top referrers for the last 17 years, so extremely suspect.

Treud

11:40 pm on Aug 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I’ve never seen that many huge shifts in small amount of time.
Position of some keywords up to #8 and day after down to #100 :)
And the trend is obviously to stay low !

Treud

12:49 am on Aug 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I just did a quick Google research on a major KW I gain and lost, and on the 4 first pages, I see less "private" e-commerce websites (only 1 per page), only Amazon, Ebay, Wikipedia and news article.
I no longer see my competitors as well. Google is placing his own affiliates first !

Athedian

3:10 am on Aug 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Traffic tanked this morning after a slight increase before the weekend last week. Must be another update going on. And around we go...

There's no more "core updates" anymore. Everyday is like an update from Google.

And of course, continuous manipulation of Google Ads to increase clicks and lower conversions so that Big G can get as much $$$ as possible.

RedBar

9:49 am on Aug 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@samwest
you mean you improved but didn't have to plaster adsense all over your site?

No AdSense, I removed that more than 2+ years ago, it was the only G service I have used in the last 10 years after I removed everything G related. As a matter of interest for some I also disconnected my websites from my social sites several years back.

The UK hotel / pub site's traffic has been going extremely well, all accommodation full, restaurants' food sales higher than we hoped for and as for wet / booze, that's moving into new sales highs!

Saturday afternoon we had a live rock band playing the gardens, with the Police's approval as an experiment, and that went way better than everyone thought it could possibly do, mind you we put in a huge amount of effort to make it "socially acceptable" however it seems to have given us the way forward.

BushyTop

10:50 am on Aug 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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For those seeing weird traffic the past few days, I'm seeing the same thing. Massive influxes of zombie-like traffic, then nothing. Its so strange how this happens periodically.

samwest

1:12 pm on Aug 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@RedBar - that's good news! As you know, I'm in a similar (but much different) vertical here in the states. Yesterday was very good traffic and conversions for most of the day. If an update came through, it still appears to process like the old "Google Dance" with several dead days followed by great traffic and conversions. I always thought it resembled a bubble sort. While the SERPs don't appear to move, traffic turns on and off willy nilly. Still a total mystery. In a few days the whole process will rinse and repeat.

glakes

1:35 pm on Aug 3, 2020 (gmt 0)



For those seeing weird traffic the past few days, I'm seeing the same thing.

At the present time Google apparently wants to rank my LinkedIn profile. As a result, I'm seeing a lot of views and connection requests from people in countries we don't serve (ie. Nigeria, etc.). What I'm not seeing is converting traffic from Google, which is fine. I look for these crap Google traffic opportunities to lower bids/remove products from their paid ads and this current update is no different. When businesses spend less money with Google, maybe their AI can grasp that. If Google's AI can't, maybe their shareholders will.

My Amazon sales and word of mouth traffic (direct traffic) remain very solid. Those looking for quality products in my industry, I believe, increasingly understand Google is not the place to find them.
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