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ready2order

11:12 am on Jan 25, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Hey everyone and thanks for reading.

Our problem is that the international page gets indexed for Germany while it should be the corresponding language that is set in the href attributes. I know that it is not possible to tell what the reason is from a distance but can someone point me in the direction I should look?

I already checked the href tags and they are implemented correctly (according to SISTRIX and Href Tag Checker). We also have x-default for /en/ as well as hreflang="en" for /en/. Could that be a problem as well?

Here is a screenshot of how Google displays our page with browsing in Germany.
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I am helpful for any answer I get.

All the best,
Chris.

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 7:35 pm (utc) on Jan 25, 2017]
[edit reason] Per forum charter, removed screenshot of identifiable search results [/edit]

Robert Charlton

8:00 pm on Jan 25, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Chris, welcome to WebmasterWorld. I'm sorry that our posting guidelines [webmasterworld.com...] require me to remove the screenshot of your site's sitelinks in the Google serps... but basically, in google.de, the homepage is displaying in English, and the rest of the pages in the sitelinks are showing in German.

By "href Tag", I assume that you are talking about Google's hreflang tags. Here's Google's introduction to these...

Use hreflang for language and regional URLs
[support.google.com...]

It's not clear from your question whether you'd prefer the searcher to see these pages as all German or as all English.

Often, the wrong language is returned when language in the query is mixed, or if language on the page is mixed, or both. If the common international usage of a desired term is in English, and you use that instead of, say, the German equivalent, then you may have problems. Assuming that you don't have any conflicting geo IP preferences set, an English language query should results in English language serps.

Geo IP language determination, btw, generally does not provide a good user experience, and it is something to avoid.

Please describe the circumstances of the searches that are giving you difficulty. We can't, though, refer to specifics on your pages or your queries, but that really shouldn't be necessary to describe what we're discussing.

You'd likely get better answers from European webmasters, who encounter these problems daily... so I hope others will jump in.

ready2order

12:58 pm on Jan 26, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your response. I hope so too but it doesn't look like anyone is respondig. Still looking for help.

phranque

1:38 pm on Jan 26, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Our problem is that the international page gets indexed for Germany while it should be the corresponding language that is set in the href attributes.

you must describe this more precisely. (but without site specifics)

for example (i'm just guessing here):
you searched google.de for some english language terms from a location in germany.
the (sitelinks?) results were in german but you expected english.
the reason you expect english is that all german pages have a link element following this form:
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="en" href="http://www.example.de/en/..." />
you serve (locale/language)-adaptive content based on (geolocation/Accept-Language HTTP headers).
etc...

ready2order

2:07 pm on Jan 30, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Currently we have 4 pages (at/de/ch/en). When I search for our brand name (which is an english phrase) Google displays the international landing page and not the specific one. We also have both xdeafult and en directed to example.com/en.


[edited by: not2easy at 10:37 am (utc) on Feb 3, 2017]
[edit reason] site specifics removed [/edit]

ready2order

10:19 am on Feb 3, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Still having the issue.

phranque

10:41 am on Feb 3, 2017 (gmt 0)

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from which country are you searching?

which of the 4 pages (at/de/ch/en) do you expect Google to display?
(and by "Google displays" i assume you are still referring to just the sitelinks for your brand name search results here?)

where is the server located?

ready2order

10:54 am on Feb 3, 2017 (gmt 0)

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I am in Austria but I have a VPN for Berlin/Germany. When I search for our brandname on the German version of Google, it should display the German result (example.com/de). However it displays the international main search result in English (example.com) with the English Title and Meta Description. The German version of our site is displayed as one of the sitelinks of the international page.


[edited by: not2easy at 2:37 pm (utc) on Feb 3, 2017]
[edit reason] Please Read TOS - No Site Specifics [/edit]

ready2order

3:44 pm on Feb 7, 2017 (gmt 0)

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phranque did you get my response?
Still looking for help.

phranque

2:40 am on Feb 8, 2017 (gmt 0)

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sorry i must have missed your response.

i would try creating a separate Google Search Console property for each country level subpath and target the appropriate country for each subpath.
International targeting - Search Console Help:
https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/62399 [support.google.com]

i would also try a "fetch as googlebot" to see if the response googlebot gets gives you any clues.

ready2order

12:30 pm on Feb 10, 2017 (gmt 0)

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We already have seperate GSC properties for every country. Also fetch as google worked with hotjar beeing the only resource blocked.

Robert Charlton

8:20 pm on Feb 10, 2017 (gmt 0)

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ready2order, please forgive rushed reply here. Though Google has managed to improve its understanding of language delivery a lot over the years, it's still not able to deal with mixed languages on a page.

John Mueller has been on record in suggesting that site owners avoid mixing languages on a page.

We've had several discussions in this forum about the confusion that mixed languages can cause, and I'll link to them below.

In your case, you have a brand name composed of English words, which, as I noted in an earlier post, would complicate the issue significantly. IMO, an English language phrase as your (most likely) principle inbound anchor text might send such strong English language signals that Google would consider them more dependable than hreflang. Additionally, Google might need further signals to perceive these words as a brand.

My guess, an educated guess but still a guess, is that inbound linking sources and the language context of those links would have a lot to do with it... particularly if your brand name is seen simply as English language words and not as a brand entity.

You probably need more natural links with your brand name coming from German language pages that are hosted in German language countries... and these links need to go to the default page you wish to appear in German. You probably also need more natural occurrences of your brand name on authoritative pages within the context of all pages that Google relates to your site... eg, reviews, shopping directories, articles with citations about your site, etc.

You can find more detailed comments and discussion, from me and others, on these threads having to do with mixed languages.

Translate problem in Google SERP - not always ranking right language
July 2010
https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4169769.htm [webmasterworld.com]

This thread ^^^^ is prior to hreflang, which I believe wasn't introduced until 2011... but is one of our best discussions on mixed language issues... and many of the factors discussed still apply.

Apparently, hreflang hasn't resolved the issues of English language product names and synonyms, and they are discussed in this recent thread, I believe still open...

Google search console claims duplicated meta description, but not duplicated
Dec 19, 2016
https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4829516.htm [webmasterworld.com]

The problem exhibited is not exactly what you're experiencing, but I do bring up the issue of English words in product names on multi-language sites.

I believe that the solution the OP suggests in that thread is not applicable to your issue. It strikes me, though, that schema or rich data identifying your brand name as a branded entity might help Google sort out the language issue. You might find something helpful in "GoodRelations", an open-source approach to rich data for ecommerce. While I've not explored rich data to identify a branded entity, I have seen analogous situations that suggest it might be promising...

GoodRelations - The Web Vocabulary for eCommerce
[heppnetz.de...]

Please report back if you find something helpful....


PS: Edited for clarity.