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A sad time! Closing websites

         

seoskunk

11:22 pm on Sep 19, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Today I will close two online entities due to my seo failure. To be honest I have failed more times than I succeeded and the whole thing now is getting me down now. One site I drove no links to but very safe links. Both were visually pleasing sites. Unless I can work out where I am going wrong I see no future in this industry

fathom

3:24 pm on Oct 11, 2015 (gmt 0)

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No... The problem with mom & pop who started a blog to post Adsense to make a few bucks on the side isn't a business. The fact that they lost their home, car, and can't feed the kids are not business related issues.

Their employer couldn't afford to invest in the business to afford genuine expertise so the business could afford to support a family with a mortgage, car payments and feed the kids. Putting the employee needs ahead of the business needs ensures failure.

Doing that once... Provides WISDOM... on how not to run a business. Repeating this again, and again is a sign you are an employee not an employer.

fathom

3:29 pm on Oct 11, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Amazon is not a one-man show... They started just as an Online Bookstore.

The fact that they grew beyond JUST BOOKS... And hired expertise to help the next launch is the point.

Leosghost

3:34 pm on Oct 11, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Those who think that hiring" expertise" is the way to grow..usually, IME, are those whose "expertise" is all on paper, I'll take real world proven expertise ( that gained by experience in running a successful online or offline business ) over 'theory" and MBAs every day..

fathom

7:25 pm on Oct 11, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Actually, real world proven expertise is GREAT unfortunately if you are the EXPERT business owner, day-to-day administrator, bookkeeper, accountant, salesman, writer, editor, photographer, graphics designer, web designer, videographer, multimedia developer, programmer, PPC Manager, Social Media & Local Search consultant not to mention the Organic SEO how do you keep all your knowledge & skills up-to-date so you can be somewhat successful?

I'm sure it can be done, but myself, it took 15 years of being dedicated to SEO Practitioning to be extremely gifted in this one area. That's OK because I can afford to outsource everything else.

samwest

2:28 am on Oct 13, 2015 (gmt 0)

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No... The problem with mom & pop who started a blog to post Adsense to make a few bucks on the side isn't a business. The fact that they lost their home, car, and can't feed the kids are not business related issues.


No kidding. Who ever said MFA's were businesses to begin with? MFA's are the bottom feeding scourge of the web. I'm talking about those who created unique, useful products or services.

fathom

2:50 am on Oct 13, 2015 (gmt 0)

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@samwest not sure why unique useful products or services would cause lost homes, broken marriages and starving kids. I would think the former is also the latter.

Jaideemaak

9:34 am on Oct 13, 2015 (gmt 0)

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But I guess that's just capitalism.

samwest, I'd actually argue the opposite. Free market capitalism has worked so well for so long and been adopted by so many societies because it is efficient and democratic. Every decision or purchase that we make as individuals counts as a vote and the providers of those products or information naturally rise to the top. Providers of the best products/information succeed and we, as consumers, get the best products/information. Fair competition ensures that quality stays high and costs stay reasonable. However, with Google acting as a middleman in the quest to find products and information on-line for 90%+ of people in many countries we - the individuals - have lost the ability to make our own choices, and the ability to compete depends on how Google rates a site. Markets can't operate freely if someone controls them and fair competition is eradicated.

We can only describe as best we can what it is we desire through a search engine and Google (most of the time because of its dominant position in the search engine market) presents us with its choices. Google's choices, not ours. These choices are limited and what is shown is completely at the discretion of Google for whatever motives the company has. By taking away the ability to choose for ourselves Google, effectively, has destroyed free market capitalism. Yes, with so many sites out there we need some way of searching and search engines are essential, but there has to be a better way other than giving so much power to one company. In some countries Google has almost absolute power and something that Orwell wrote comes to mind.

And yes, if you were wondering, this is personal. On 28th September an algorithm change (Penguin, I guess) sent many of my previously high ranking longtail keywords to the Google 'low quality' trash can. Instead of page 1 near the top, they now sit way down where no one ever looks. Bing and Yahoo still rate them highly, but Google dominates as we all know. For several years G has been gradually strangling my site by reducing page views. Adsense became a joke, but I enjoyed some success with affiliates for a while after dumping Adsense. However, it's all a numbers game and with such a big loss of traffic my affiliate earnings have all but dried up. It's site wide and I haven't a clue what I have done that is so bad. On one site 12 years of hard work and local knowledge has been replaced with big brand sites on which contributors clearly have only very limited knowledge of the subject.

My site will probably end up being another casualty once this year's hosting charges run out.

aristotle

1:41 pm on Oct 13, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Free market capitalism

Surely nobody is naive enough to think that the U.S., or any other country, or the web for that matter, actually has a "free market".

Mike_Feury

7:57 pm on Oct 13, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Jaideemaak said:
"Free market capitalism has worked so well for so long and been adopted by so many societies because it is efficient and democratic."

That's not what international economic history tells us. I doubt there's a good example of a country which adopted free market capitalism from scratch and succeeded. A couple of the many contrary examples:

Britain had a very closed mercantilist system during the period when it rose to ascendancy, roughly 1750-1850;
USA ripped off copyright and patents [to the degree they existed] wholesale during its rise [roughly later 1800s to early 1900s].

Free market capitalism then evolved in these and other successful countries as a means to maintain their advantage, eg get resources from poorer countries and give back processed products, or eg more recently to dominate the investment and profit taking on a global level.

Free market capitalism is neither efficient or democratic, except for those who already used contrary means to achieve relative dominance.

Aristotle said:
"Surely nobody is naive enough to think that the U.S., or any other country, or the web for that matter, actually has a "free market"."

There is a lot of propaganda put out by the countries who benefit most from keeping the rest of the world relatively poor and powerless. In one view, you can't blame them--they're trying to save their inefficient operations from competition provided by 'the rest', eg US electronics manufacturing, British car manufacturing, etc.

Trumpet that stuff loudly and long, and you will convince a lot of people who are not exposed to alternative views. It's not innate naivety, it's lack of opportunity or time to learn coupled with too much trust in what 'our guys' say.

fathom

8:19 pm on Oct 13, 2015 (gmt 0)

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After having a massive heart attack and being in a coma for a while, once I recovered I started taking greater risks and found the rewards were substantially more rewarding. (Go figure!)

Lack of opportunity is often the misdiagnosis for not taking risks and time to learn can also be offset by outsourcing. I certainly suffered some setback where trust was misplaced but generally WISDOM only comes from failure so as long as you learn from your mistakes your won't be doomed to repeat them.
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