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Google Updates and SERP Changes - Sept 2015

         

silentneedle

8:37 am on Sep 1, 2015 (gmt 0)

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System: The following 17 messages were cut out of thread at: https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4760634.htm [webmasterworld.com] by robert_charlton - 10:16 am on Sep 3, 2015 (PDT -8)


So is/was Panda 4.2 a "slow rollout" or "no rollout"? For me it looks like they just announced 4.2 so that the webmaster community shuts up.

MrSavage

4:28 pm on Sep 27, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I noticed that Google search couldn't distinguish Apple iPhone 6S. Pretty much every resource listed was for 6, not 6S. Pretty bad. Checked Bing and they understood 6S. Quite frustrating not being able to "get through" and have results for what I was actually searching for. So whatever is a high ranking criteria, it appears that it takes too long to "register" with the brain, as it were.

[edited by: MrSavage at 4:39 pm (utc) on Sep 27, 2015]

masterjoe

4:36 pm on Sep 27, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I've also noticed some dumbass behavior from the SERPs too - one example is an article, which is ranking for a keyword which I have a whole page dedicated to. It's not contrived or built to rank for that keyword, but the page is much more relevant than the article that ranks because it only mentions it several times. I've also had a lot of trouble finding software for a printer as it shows all but the exact one that I need, I had to search for it again through the manufacturer website.

Nutterum

7:07 am on Sep 28, 2015 (gmt 0)

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@reseller - Great choice of names (both of them). Whichever name sticks, will be fitting. If any of the webmasterworld members has access to broader set of data, it would be the perfect time to delve deeper. Perhaps kiss metrics, or MOZ (or any other alternative) can bring light on our data refresh assumptions?

reseller

8:02 am on Sep 28, 2015 (gmt 0)

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@Nutterum

Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated.

Agree it would be great with broader set of data.

toidi

11:28 am on Sep 28, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Google search quality team has chosen to keep very quite regarding the roll out of the recent Google data update 



Given the size of goog organization and the accompanying bureaucracy, it might be possible the search quality team was/is unaware the change was made. Goog no longer exists for the search engine, the search engine exists for goog, a subtle but huge difference as search takes the back seat to monetization.

Martin Ice Web

11:35 am on Sep 28, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I saw a decline in traffice too ( germany, ecom ).

But what from what i see every one says that traffic is gone or realy bad, but from a honest view did the serps change to the better in your niche?

I can only tell from my niche it hasnīt. This last update is biased to big brands and it seems not count if the content is any related or compelling. As i donīt use g* anymore while choices got realy rare it doesnīt care me a bean. From global view, poeple will get used to this brands and to shallow brands pages, what IMO is a bad thing.
In fact with every quality update in the last years the quality of the website in the serps has been going down.

Simon_H

3:48 pm on Sep 28, 2015 (gmt 0)

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@glakes Just seen your post. We're ecommerce and seeing exactly the same thing. Volume of traffic from Google organic *and* paid is unchanged, but the quality is completely dreadful and it's all barely converting, including paid. And we're also getting traffic from other countries. And it also started weekend of 18th Sept.

The weird thing is our pages per visit, avg. session duration, bounce rate, etc are all relatively stable apart from a slight decrease in session duration from the middle of Sept, so it really makes no sense. If Google was funnelling genuine but crap traffic to us, I'd expect to see some more obvious changes in those stats.

Because it's affecting Google paid (Shopping) as well as organic, I'd assumed it was just very unusual seasonal changes, but I guess it could be Google doing something across all its channels. Although that surely makes no sense with paid. You mention that maybe this is Google trying to get advertisers to pay more, but if clicks don't convert, the correct response is to *decrease* the bid not increase it. So the more likely outcome of this is Google will *lose* money. If Google is channelling the good traffic somewhere else, then someone else would be suddenly seeing an improved conversion rate, but I don't see anyone posting about that. The only evidence is from people who are seeing a poorer conversion rate.

Google are on record for saying that the conversion rate on paid clicks remains relatively constant irrespective of their position in the results, so assuming the same type of products are being clicked on, there is no explanation for why the value per click would legitimately drop even if positions were shaken up a bit.

Something else to consider is that Google Shopping changed its feed spec in mid-Sept, so many shops may have tidied up their feeds, hence increased their quality score, leaving the others behind. However, as per above, this should result only in a lower number of impressions and clicks to you, not a lower conversion rate.

So, based on the above, the only possible explanations for this seem to be (1) a genuine seasonal change in user behaviour, (2) a genuine change in who is using Google or how they're using Google, (3) Google deceptively creating zombie/bot traffic to paid in order to charge for fake clicks, (4) technical issues where the wrong paid ads/products are appearing and getting curiousity clicks that don't convert or (5) something else. I doubt that it is (2) as there has been no Google UI change. I'm sure everyone will jump at (3) but I do find it very hard to believe that Google would do this or need to do this. Google is plagued with technical issues so maybe (4), although I'd have thought this would be more noticeable. Although we currently have a call in with Google paid as some data recorded is definitely wrong so we'll see how that goes.

But most likely (5). Any other ideas?

mrengine

8:32 pm on Sep 28, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Today I am seeing a spike in traffic from Google, albeit they are of the zombie type. In fact, today's traffic from Google will probably be a two or three month high, but with very few sales.

As a USA ecommerce website, I would expect Google to send traffic to our products. Our product descriptions, images, etc. blow the competition away though Google seems inclined to send traffic to our FAQ page and other informative pages about OUR products. And these pages, including the FAQ, are unique to OUR product and not other similar types of products in our industry.

If Google can't match buyers to our products, whether organic or paid, I don't see much use in expending anymore efforts trying to correct something that I can't fix. If the demise in Google traffic quality is the result of some sort of update, it's really sickening to see how disruptive it is.

samwest

8:57 pm on Sep 28, 2015 (gmt 0)

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@mrengine - sounds exactly like our situation. We have very little competition for our product, but plenty of ad filled wannabe photo blogs and one page articles on big brand sites that eclipse our pages. In the past we were the only ones out there and dominated across the board. Spent tons on adwords even when we didn't need it. I calculated that out to be the cost of a very nice sports car. Since then I've HAD to cancel all Adwords campaigns. Now they haul literally boat loads of money off shore for tax free safe keeping, while tens of thousands (if not many more) of webmasters struggle to pay their basic bills. I guess that's what you call free enterprise.

I agree, we can't fix it. We can fix our sites either. I'm not sure what mechanism is sorting traffic, but it certainly is not a natural flow and definitely all Zombie.

Atomic

10:15 pm on Sep 28, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I've seen some interesting behavior all month. About every four or five days there's been a ranking change for the most competitive keywords. Some days we win, some we lose. Here's an example of what I'm seeing:

Starting rankings
Site A
Site B
Site C
Site D

5 Days Later
Site C
Site B
Site A
Site D

5 Days Later
Site D
Site A
Site C
Site B

5 Days Later
Site C
Site A
Site D
Site B

And so on...

Has anyone else noticed anything like this? I see some correlation with Mozcast, too. I actually predicted the last one by date time, and order of rankings. It will be interesting to see what happens on Wednesday.

frankleeceo

11:27 pm on Sep 28, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing some distinct weekly shuffling like Atomic described with one of my site, within the past month.

samwest

2:00 am on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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everflux

masterjoe

10:06 am on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I feel for you webmasters who have been paying for adwords and still receive poorly converting traffic, that's completely unacceptable. I don't know who they think they are fooling, but if more webmasters chime in with some stats I think we can get to the bottom of it.

I recommended Simon H from the post above to come through from SER as he seems quite knowledgeable on the technical aspect of finding out what's going on.

The last few days have seen my already Penguin hit site take another dive. Which is unfair considering I've spent #*$!loads of time disavowing bad links and improving all the content, speeding it up etc. (within the last year since it got hit). All those hours spent for nothing.

aakk9999

11:06 am on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I've seen some interesting behavior all month. About every four or five days there's been a ranking change for the most competitive keywords. Some days we win, some we lose.
Starting rankings Site A Site B Site C Site D
5 Days Later Site C Site B Site A Site D
...

@Atomic, your observation is interesting and it entertains the same theory what Shaddows has said in their opening post in the thread on Zombie Traffic:

Zombie Traffic / Traffic Shaping / Throttling
https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4766446.htm [webmasterworld.com]
... Also, when you think about it, it's probably more fair to rotate Page 1. I mean, for 10,000 relevant pages of reasonable quality content, is it fair that only 0.1% of them get any traffic? Or would it me more fair to rotate the top 100 sites (with the "natural" top 10 getting more time proportionately), so that 1% of pages get at least a trickle? In this scenario, changing your "time-at-the-top" recipe would appear as traffic shaping...

Another aspect to think about - during your observations, have you neutralised personalisation?

Nutterum

1:34 pm on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else seen a big recrawl spike on the 24th of Sept. All properties were crawled very agressively. Haven seen such high crawl rate since 2nd of Sept(and the 2-3 days before the data refresh event).

Jez123

1:39 pm on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I had a massive crawl on the 16th of Sept.

Shepherd

2:21 pm on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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big recrawl spike on the 24th of Sept.


Medium spike on the 24th for us (90% above daily average)

200% above daily average on the 9/14/2015

500% above daily average on 8/22/2015

vlexo

2:38 pm on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Increase in crawls on the 18th and 23rd of Sept.

aok88

9:15 pm on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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huge crawl on 9/23

samwest

10:11 pm on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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No crawls here's...just really REALLY bad traffic. Zombies and a very few and far between, short conversion windows....averaging 1 conversion per day. ridiculous. Even my client sites that generate leads only are generating zero leads, yet traffic recent jumped from about 150 visits per day to 500 per day (due to added content imported from the previous theme). That's super Zombie Traffic.

Simon_H

10:20 pm on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Same as @samwest here. No crawls and dreadful traffic.

glakes

10:56 pm on Sep 29, 2015 (gmt 0)



I am seeing a gradual return to more qualified traffic that converts. This started happening yesterday evening. Here's hoping that it continues, sticks and spreads to the others here that have been impacted by the same.

apc4455

7:41 am on Sep 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Long time lurker here. I just made an account to comment on this issue.

There definitely seems to have been something this month that could be either caused by a new standalone update or a change in how other Google core algorithms evaluate websites.

I've first seen a change in keyword rankings and traffic around the 14th and 15th of this month. Before those days, September has been one of the best months this year for various sites of mine. Mid-September it started to decrease but nothing worthy of concern. The decrease started to be heavily noticeable around the 24th-25th this month (coinciding with the big Algoroo spikes I assume most of you have noticed). This seems to have caused around 20% decrease in traffic and around 50%-60% decrease in conversions.

It seems to have settled since the 24th-25th, as traffic is now consistently lower with 20% compared with before (taking into account weekends etc.).

Slight decreases in rankings on tracked keywords also coincided with the dates described above. They also seem to have settled since the 24th-25th. For around 10 days before these dates keyword movements were very high, jumping either heavily up or down (mostly down) on a daily basis. Like said, after around the 24th-25th they now have settled at their new places. So, whatever update was going on it seems to have been fully rolled out around the 24th to 25th (for now).

What's interesting is that this change in rankings isn't what you would ascribe to a regular penalty. No keywords were substantially affected (i.e. moved from top 3 spots to page 4 etc.). What happened was that a larger number of keywords have fallen just a few places, from like #2 to #5, #1 to #4, #5 to #8 etc. - They were keywords that previously ranked consistently for 1+ year on their respective positions.

What I have seen so far is that a lot of these pages that decreased were taken over by Youtube videos (~30% of the cases) as well as websites that have very small but focused content on the topic (i.e. 100 words and then a signup form/toplist table, or exact match domain names, etc.).

I'm seeing the same changes on a number of competitors of mine and several friends have confirmed the same observations as the ones described above.

Nutterum

8:14 am on Sep 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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First and foremost welcome to Webmasterworld apc4455 . Our community would love good posts like yours at any time.

As for your thoughts on the SERP fluctuations. I can agree with you. I did an audit yesterday on my core keyword phrases list (short of 600) and I can confirm, their average position fluctuated way more prior the 24th. Currently I My SERPS are down 3 spots on average which should be concerning, but somehow it did not ring any bells because my traffic was up 5% and conversions by almost 3% compared to the previous period. Looking at individual queries, their positions dropped on average yet the traffic remained the same. Some new keyword phrases appeared though, causing the actual overall increase.

For sure a algo data change did occur. What was changed however, I don't know. My niche is international organic, so my SERPS overall lack any knowledge graphs or suggestion boxes that would push the SERPs down, or syphon clicks away from the results. What I do think happened is that top authority websites, became a little more authoritative. In other terms, If visitors saw two back to back results from the same domain, now some of them see three. I can't muster any other explanation of the shift in ranking I am seeing.

apc4455

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Thanks for your comments, Nutterum.

Like you hinted, at this point the main question should be whether this update was link-based or content based.

I personally still haven't made up my mind about it. What are your thoughts?

masterjoe

11:25 am on Sep 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I believe it is link based, because I have had a previously Penguin hit site suffer further with altered rankings. I've done what I can to disavow within the last few months and remove bad links, but some of my page 1 rankings have disappeared into the Google black hole. Some aren't even in the top 100 anymore, even though the content is very comprehensive (2000-3000 words each). I have never had any Panda issues.

samwest

12:58 pm on Sep 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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@glakes - I am observing an identical ecom conversion improvement starting yesterday evening with a conversion at 6:30 pm CST. Another "double" conversion at 9:03 and 9:10 pm (7 min apart), another at 3:57am and again this morning at 7:20 am. Will it stick? Perhaps, but only until the dials are turned again and that's been happening very quickly lately. Again, seeing better conversion on my slowest traffic days and worse conversion on my busiest traffic days. Whacky.

Simon_H

1:06 pm on Sep 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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@glakes and @samwest. We're seeing the same. Conversions suddenly up, traffic the same, doesn't make much sense.

reseller

3:40 pm on Sep 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Hi folks

Based on feedback of WebmasterWorld members on this thread, I wish to sugges the followings regarding current Google update which has been rolled out around 2nd September 2015

1- Its neither a Panda nor a Penguin.

2- It could be an update of google core search ranking algorithm.
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3- It is still underway.

4- At this stage of the update, I wouldn't be surprised to see Google announcing something like:
"We have been rolling out since around 2nd September 2015 a "Search quality update". We agree to give the said update the name "Orangutan" :)

samwest

3:49 pm on Sep 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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@Glakes + Simon H - that's a pretty strong observation, correlating three ways. Anyone else seeing better conversions on their ecom in the past 24 hours? Had another double header around 10am. Just like old days all of a sudden. Hope this sticks.
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