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image search in DE and impact on ecom stores

         

Martin Ice Web

9:26 am on Jan 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Back in december we discussed german ( probably on other countries too) Image search behaviour. Google opens the targeted site in an iframe. This prevents in most cases that the cart-system will work correct. E.g. the Login pages to pay sites will not open as this sites are not allowed to be opend in an iframe.
As this behaviour is as bad as it could be for a user and goolge wants to keep the users on theirs sites.

Leosghost confirmed this behaviour by checking various counties ( thanx again ), his original post:


@martin
yes!you are correct..this is the image search behavior on google .de

I am in France and we get a completely different layout and functionality on image search from you..
( haven't made any image searches whilst in Germany for a while )

But if I specifically enter google.de ( allow javascript to google.de )into the address bar and choose "bilder" ( images )..I can see what you do..without using proxies..may well work like that for others here..

If so ..enter the German word for something likely be sold on a site..get to the thumbnail page..and hover over each thumb until you find one that appears to be going to a small site -( not ebay or amazon etc ) ..click on that thumbnail..you'll get what Martin ( and anyone selse searching on google.de gets ) a frameset with what looks to the non webmaster ( folks who have no idea that they are seeing a site framed and not actually on the site ) like you are at the site which has the image ..

German images search resembles the layout that I was getting around 1 year ago..and Which was being used at that time in the USA and the UK..
Image search ( with javascript "authorised", which is what 99% of surfers do ) brings up a scrolling page of image thumbnails..

Click on image gets you to a page using frames..your page ( page of site with image in place ) is on the left..in iframe..right-side frame has image again ( smaller ) left side page has full functionality , can enter items into carts etc..but they will not complete..

"forbid" javascript to Google.de..and click on image from scrolling serps takes you to an interstitial G page with a text link to the actual URL of the page with the image..click this and you get to the real page with no frame..

TMS's frame buster is going to have to be added to all your pages..( I use framebusters since over 10 years ago when G began pulling images for their cached pages live from sites, site owners piad the badwidth, the customer never need to actually go the the site, I run a lot of image heavy sites )..German webmasters are going to have to get the attention of someone who can make / force G to stop this, must be really screwing up ecom in Germany and costing you all a fortune in lost sales..

TMS..recycling nics ?

BTW..@some_bloke..what you see on image search on google.fr, is not the same as what we in France see on image search on google.fr..we get no "superimposition" ..we get the image on the grey background..with visit page or see image..click through to visit page gets you directly to the page, no superimposition or other G tricks..



the MadScientist made the Suggestion, add an framebuster:

PHP likely won't fix it -- It sounds more like You need a JavaScript frame-buster on your cart page(s) to break out of the iFrame when people click to order.

<script> if(top != self) top.location.replace(location); </script>



I tried different verions of the framebuster but None of this is going to work.
All Javascript code that will manipulate the iframe, is filtered out by Google.
All other code will run like it should.


Up to now i have not found a solutiuon to this Problem.

I guess that this behaviour will expand to world wide Image search soon. So there will be a very big Impact to ecom stores as many poeple are searching widgets through Image search. My guess is, that widget Image search stands in direct competition to Product Listing Adds.

Robert Charlton

10:33 am on Jan 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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For reference, I find some of the original discussion here....

http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4719320-5-30.htm [webmasterworld.com]