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Penalty after changing domain names

         

geoline

6:24 pm on Jan 7, 2014 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Hello WebmasterWorld!

[As you can guess I am not an english native. So please excuse my english]

I am a Webmaster of an established website with an average of 3000 daily visitors.

In september 2013 I changed the domain name from a keyword-domain to a more brandable name.

- The old domain is fully 301 too the new domain
- I reported the name change in Google Webmaster Tools
- There were no changes in design or structure
- Just a few backlinks pointing to the old domain have been changed to the new one. Most of the Backlinks are still pointing to the old domain name.

After a few days the new domain has overtake the rankings from the old domain. But after 2 weeks the rankings dropped. And for more than 75 days the average visitor count is now 300 daily.

There was no notification in the GWT

I am pretty desperate, cause I dont have a clue what to do :(

Any suggestions or experiences with this topic?

Greetings from Heidelberg
geoline

Robert Charlton

9:14 am on Jan 8, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Hi geoline - Apparently you've been at WebmasterWorld for quite a while in lurking mode. Welcome to posting mode. I'm sorry, though, that your post is about a ranking problem. I've had no experience with the particular problem you describe, so I can only suggest some lines of thought that are all conjecture.

Normally I would question your use of the word "penalty", and I would say it might more likely be...
a) something more mechanical relating to your redirects or server setup (and I would still check out those things first)...
b) or that you'd simply come to the end of the "honeymoon period" that Google gives a new domain....
c) or that changing your domain caused Google to reexamine your site, and now you've got to re-establish trust...
etc.

Since you've used WMT to report the domain change, and because of your long ranking history, these aren't likely to be the case, but I can't be sure.

Let me explore one odd algorithmic scenario that comes to mind, which might make this perhaps something closer to a penalty...

You say...
I changed the domain name from a keyword-domain to a more brandable name

Complete speculation here... but it may be that removing that keyword domain, particularly if it was a hypenated keyword1-keyword2 domain, might shift your inbound link anchor text from being "natural" with regard to your previous domain to perhaps looking manipulative. It is sometimes a spammer's trick to promote hyphenated keyword domains to get anchor text links and then 301 these to a more natural looking domain.

Generally, though... and again, this is speculation... I'd think this would be considered spam only if you did this with numerous domains all pointing to the same domain, all with a lot of exact match anchor text... and/or if you'd built a lot of links quickly and then did the redirect.

It may also be that changing the domain name changed enough content and titles on your site that you need to add some of the keyword content back to your pages. This may not be seen so much as spam but rather more as a mismatch between inbound links and onpage content. You may be effectively underoptimized onpage and over optimized in your inbound anchor. What kind of content changes did you make?

If Google has reexamined your site because of the domain change, it could be that link acquisition patterns previously unnoticed might be seen as unnatural. Again, all conjecture, but perhaps this might trigger some thoughts for you which you can share with us.

Having more exact dates on the drop, etc, would help check whether algorithmic changes were observed around the time of your change.

geoline

6:08 pm on Jan 8, 2014 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Hi Robert,

thanks for your detailed response. It make me think a lot, and see an other perspective. Thx for that.

I used the word penalty, because it looks like a -50 penalty. 96% of all keywords rank now on the 5th result page. I dont know an other english word for this, well except for not so nice words ;)

but it may be that removing that keyword domain, particularly if it was a hypenated keyword1-keyword2 domain, might shift your inbound link anchor text from being "natural" with regard to your previous domain to perhaps looking manipulative.


I have seen this spammy tactic in the past by some of my competitors. You are right, links that looked natural in the past, could be considered more unnatural now. The amount of keyword anchor texts is not so high in my case, it shouldn't be a problem. But who knows, especially if I take your next point in consideration.

What kind of content changes did you make?

There had been only a few changes. I changed titles, meta-descreptions and the appearance of the old domain name. And your right, with this action I removed text, which is used as anchor text in some backlinks.

or that you'd simply come to the end of the "honeymoon period" that Google gives a new domain....
c) or that changing your domain caused Google to reexamine your site, and now you've got to re-establish trust...
etc.


Thats what I think as well. My theory is that google has problems transfering the old trust to the new domain. The new domain worked well for 2 weeks and than suddenly dropped in rankings.

My next actions will be:
- add the old domain name on the side again. Maybe in the footer: "formerly known as keyword.com"
- try to build 1 or 3 backlinks with the new brand as anchor text
- wait :(

I am totaly open for further experiences and opinions.

Greetings from Heidelberg
geoline