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These domains are ranking exclusively on their backlinks (and rapid acquisition thereof).
In the past, it was common to see brand new domains soar to the top rapidly, then move down in rankings; but, I've watched some of these domains rank well for several months now.
-crobb305
It almost sounds like we're seeing a 'shift' to visitor behavior having a greater influence than it has previously based on what you're saying.
-TMS
Another interesting characteristic of a few of the sites I am talking about is that some lack useful site navigation ... There no links to internal pages (except for a "contact" link). The domain was registered 4 months ago. Furthermore, the internal pages contain no links to each other, only a link back to the homepage...
I don't understand what it is about the site that makes it "useful" to a visitor (or what metric could define it as such), unless an immediate click to an affiliate link equals visitor satisfied (or if the visitor returns back from the affiliate site only to click on the next affiliate link in the list, and so on).
-crobb305
But in the case you're talking about (immediate click to an affiliate link), to Google, the visitor 'disappeared' and did not return to the results, which would almost have to be interpreted as 'visitor satisfied' by an algo, even if it doesn't make complete sense to us WRT 'the site clicked' satisfying the searcher, because we know it really didn't.
-TMS
how might the algorithm might interpret affiliate links opening to target="blank" when it comes to visitor behavior?
-crobb305
It can't, because it doesn't know ... You might know, I might know, but the algo knows 'when the visitor returned to the results', 'what did the visitor search for upon returning' and 'did the visitor block the site upon returning', that's it, nothing else.
-TMS
I have the same observation. I am looking after a site that sells circle and diamond widgets only, in certain geographical area. The site has decided to create a page on square widgets, reviewing the square widgets in the same geographical area. The page contained 15 different square widgets with photo, main features and dofollow link to the square widget manufacturer (there is only one of these for each square widget)...
After creating the page, it initially ranked at the bottom of the second page for the keyword square widgets geo-area. Then over the course of the next 6 months it started to climb, ending at #1 and holds this position for the last 2 years. The bounce rate of this page is 70%+
-aakk9999
Just did a test of this on a #*$!ed website. When you serve a blank page with 200 OK header google drops the page from the keyword index entirely in my test...
I was just experimenting, I thought the keyword would still rank on a blank page due to inbound links. But I was wrong
-seoskunk
The algo knows 'when the visitor returned to the results', 'what did the visitor do upon returning: search for something else, click a different result, close the window, etc.', 'time between actions (search again, click a different result, closed window)' and 'did the visitor block the site upon returning' - It's possible I've missed some other action in the preceding, but the point is, it doesn't 'know' what link a visitor clicked on your page, so it can't tell if it was internal or external.
...what other things do you see you think could cause the page to rank where it is?
...To me personally it looks like 'link value' can definitely be overridden by other factors...
...what other factors people think could be in play if we 'throw out the links' to a page.
When you post a page on WSJ, it gets a different 'treatment' by Google than if it were posted on your site.
I think Google's stemming is throwing sites into the mix that might not rank because of keywords or even backlinks/anchor.
Is there any evidence of this MB?
personalization of the SERPs based on location
So instead of displaying whatever wins the Micro SEO Arms Race (link/anchor/h1, etc.), Google selects from a pool of web pages determined to be a certain kind of web page that related to a certain kind of user intent. The Arms Race factors of H1, anchor text and all that becomes less important because understanding the query and matching the answer to it supercedes those factors.
they've also assembled a fairly massive list of webmasters, linked those webmasters to their attributable output, via gwmt, crawling tools, manual sleuthing, assigned ranking scores +ve and -ve, then apply this to the output of the other Algos
they've also assembled a fairly massive list of webmasters, linked those webmasters to their attributable output, via gwmt, crawling tools, manual sleuthing, assigned ranking scores +ve and -ve, then apply this to the output of the other Algos
What I also see in our niche, is that the big time advertisers are also showing up much much higher in the natural SERPs.... even when searching for a very long hand written phrase that we have on our page and they do not.... coincidence?
-Bewenched
But, it sounds like to me, you're still thinking search is 'keyword based' rather than, for lack of a better way of explaining, 'definition based', so if the competing site has a phrase that's 'algorithmically defined' to equate to the essentially the same thing as your phrase is about, then I'm not surprised at all, especially if you click on the page(s) from the competing site(s) to see if it/they contain the phrase more often than you click on your own site for the same query or type of queries ... That has nothing to do with Adwords spend and everything to do with the new algo we're dealing with.
-TMS
What percentage of the websites controlled by www members are big corporates, and what percentage are sole traders and hobbiests
how many people... are in some ways crushing their own rankings by constantly clicking on the competition for the phrases they want to rank for?
The search phrases must be relatively low volume for that to have any significant effect, no?
...crushing their own rankings by constantly clicking on the competition for the phrases they want to rank for?
[edited by: martinibuster at 6:35 am (utc) on Dec 15, 2012]
[edited by: martinibuster at 6:50 am (utc) on Dec 15, 2012]
has made me wonder how many people really don't understand the new algo and are in some ways crushing (or at least suppressing) their own rankings by constantly clicking on the competition for the phrases they want to rank for?
...many people... are in some ways crushing (or at least suppressing) their own rankings by constantly clicking on the competition for the phrases they want to rank for?