Where are we on the new "sandbox"?

[internetheaven]

Whatever your personal opinion is on the cause* behind new sites not being indexed or new pages on old sites not being indexed -- are we anywhere on the "what do I do"?

I've got nine sites now out of 60+ launched in the past few months that still have not been indexed. I've got several spam sites for clients where new pages are being indexed within minutes - then I've got sites with hundreds of quality inbounds, good unique content etc. that have not been included in the index yet -- (going on 3+ months for most).

Has anyone found a way to get indexed? I've tried buying adwords, building links, adding it to WMT and more and it still won't get picked up.

*For me I believe it's a side effect of the new "quality" algorithm introduced at the beginning of June. i.e. the same filter that is throwing out old sites and old pages is preventing new sites and new pages that fail the filter being included in the first place.

[tedster]

It sure is a real phenomenon - lots of reports in various threads around this forum. I've got one client who smacked into something like a sandbox after changing their best internal search traffic page, and their domain root has been PR-8 for years, so you know it's not just some kind of trust issue.

I haven't got an answer so far. I also can't imagine this is what Google really intends - either for new websites or for new versions of established sites. Things were a lot more sensible just a few months back.

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For those working to get a new domain indexed, maybe we can collect some specific data about what you've tried so far:

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[BeeDeeDubbleU]

I do not do volume work. At best I only complete two or three websites per month but I have had no problems getting them indexed. I thought the sandbox effect was a thing of the past?

[Sgt_Kickaxe]

Sandbox = not enough pagerank pointing at a page.

New sites have too few internal links pointing to the index.
Old sites have too few pointing to older content buried 100 pages into their archives.

To some degree parts of every websites are sandboxed by their own internal link structure unless those pages are propped up by incoming links.

Google seems to have little care as to links being internal or incoming from other websites, a page is a page is a page to them. A bit of advice would be to re-visit your BEST pages and see if you can tone down the number of internal links leading to them while maintaining it's #1 ranking.

Incoming links are game changers in terms of how effective an internal link structure is. If you have a lot of links pointing to one page you may want more links on that page pointing to others on your site... just enough to maintain #1 while passing along the benefits.

Since your site is constantly changing with new incoming links and new content the trick is to prop up your pages in such a way that you get just enough juice to the most pages you can. All of it on one page may let you beat out all other sites/articles but it's costing you ranking other articles well. Perhaps this response is a bit more complicated that needed for the question...

if you make changes let them simmer for a few weeks, or a few months if it's a large site, it takes a while for your entire link graph to propagate even in Google. Good link structure planning in advance is worth it's weight in gold.