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[edited by: tedster at 11:53 pm (utc) on Dec. 30, 2009]
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I cannot understand, (like above states) some new pages have gone straight in with the same pagerank as my homepage, yet many old and established pages are now greybar.
Should I look more at a better internal linking structure and build some external links to my inner pages, or are those pages dead and buried now? Many of them have lost ranking for many long term keyphrases too, but yet some havent and they are still greybar. My conversions are down because I am not getting direct traffic to my landing pages.
Time to get the thinking cap on I think :/
TD
should I let everything settle down before jumping to conclusions, that now many of my inner pages have lost pagerank?
I'd say conclusions about gray bar PR are not worth wrestling with. I was just working with a site over the past week and saw a PR4 page go gray bar during that period. Traffic did not change, the page is still ranking for an important query term.
Sometimes you can see the logic behind a gray bar (pages of links with little other content, for example) but not in every case. I just follow the traffic and whether it converts. Those gray bars can be some kind of strange - not worth the energy to decode, IMO.
IMO You should definitely: Don't even worry about it.
I haven't looked at TBPR in over a year, and can honestly say it really hasn't impacted my ability to SEO or do my job even a little bit... I'm sure it's been at least a year and could have been over a year and a half since I've even had the toolbar installed.IMO You should definitely: Don't even worry about it.
While I understand what you are saying, this time around in my particular situation the TBPR provided useful feedback. I have recently worked on improving interlinking. Now, instead of seeing mostly PR N/A for the vast majority the old pages of my 2 year old forum with 20k pages, now I finally see many (most?) of even old and not-so-important pages actually showing some PR. It's nice to have such feedback.
The traffic, while I agree is a more important factor, may not be for my site the best indicator at the moment, because has been going up rather steadily since the start just over two years ago.
Sometimes you can see the logic behind a gray bar (pages of links with little other content, for example) but not in every case.
PR = Pure Rubbish LOL
internal linking doesn't kick start the return to greenAre you sure about that? I've improved internal linking recently, and now most of my pages do have a visible PR. Even older ones, which had PR N/A before I started to work on better internal linking.
At least the PR will be worth something when I try to sell it. ;)
i've got some PR1 sites that still have number 1 organic listings with the borg.
Nah, you don't need to sell sites to make money from PR. You don't even need to sell links ;)
(OK, the site in my profile sells about 5-10 text links a year, but the charges are based on page traffic, not PR)
Marvin, that's been my consistent experience. I was puzzled by how some pages were getting green with just an internal link till I setup an experiment and used Google Alerts to discover what was happening: Adding an internal link caused a scraper to navigate to the "dead" page and voila - new IBL! Yes, even a scraper's IBL has value: it's all the trigger Google needs!
[edited by: oddsod at 8:17 pm (utc) on Dec. 31, 2009]
PR = Pure Rubbish LOLSure, if you don't know what to do with it ;)
I know exactly what to do with it:
The same thing everyone else does...
sell a useless site (or link) way over value
One of my sites was PR8 and received 2m+ unique visitors monthly (double digit million page views) back in 2005, its financial worth (taking into account 5 years of revenue) was close to $2m (definitely would've sold quickly for 1/2m), its PR then matched its worth, rank, membership and visitors, traffic, buyers etc. That site now is PR5 and 10-20% of what it used to be in every way above.
PR used to be a major indicator, now it is a minor indicator of a site's rank and worth, but the higher end PR7+ sites seem to show PR closer to the truth as a reliable indicator of strength and value.
For your site, did anything change? I mean did you update less frequently, lose links, people changed taste or...? By looking around, google has gotten more stingy with the PR, or maybe many links are nofollow now.
All of this is part of the PR dance, and the ability to remove PR passing is a big factor. They can do this at the domain level, the directory level, the page level and even the level of an individual link.
This is one reason why diversity in a backlink profile is such a valuable asset.
I suppose it all depends on your link building techniques. One of the many ways is that I try to persuade the authority websites in any given sector to exchange links and I see pagerank as one way of doing this. Once you have established yourself then some of the bigger websites will start getting in touch with you rather than vice-versa, saving you a lot of time.
So, serps and PR have two different meanings in my strategy of running a website.
Everyone to their own I suppose?
I got a PR3 rank from the gray bar i had since i started my blog on November 8. So it took me less than 2 months to have this PR3. But i wonder, the traffic is still the same as was without having PR. I know, PR adds to the credibility of the website but i believe now, that there is a very weak relationship with SERP and PR.
You had PR the minute google saw a link pointing at you. Traffic increased as time went by, it didn't wait for the PR to show on the toolbar.
Cool, my failed site now has a PR3 even though it only gets about three visits a week now.
What's even more interesting is that now I have a domain, that hasn't had any web pages on it for nearly a year and absolutely no backlinks showing up with a PR3.
I've never seen this before ..
