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New site - no ranking - sandbox?

         

cangoou

2:14 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hello!

I got a new domain on february 09 and started a careful link-building (200 links in 7 month) with a lot of different anchors and target-pages (linking to main- und subpages of the site).

The page seems somehow interesting because I got a lot links from social bookmarks.

Anyway: The page still is not showing up at all for the main-keyword "widget". I checked the whole backlinkprofile back and forward several times but couldn't find more then 2 or 3 links I would consider as beeing "bad". I got only 4 anchors saying exactly "widget", all others are variations of "widgets" or completly other texts.

But: The site ranks quite well for "widgét" which seems to me that some kind of filter is applied. This all reminds me a bit of the sandbox - but somehow I thought the sandbox wasn't used anymore.

Any ideas what I could/should do?

aristotle

7:19 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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In my experience it takes longer to climb to the top echelon in Google's rankings for highly competitive keywords. Seven months may not be enough. But it should be enough to get high rankings for non-competitive terms.

cangoou

7:28 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your reply. It's not a problem that the site doesn't rank in Top10 - I know that it could take longer then 7 month to do so for a compatetive keyword.

But it doesn't show up in the first 1000 results for "widget" at all. After 7 month, I expected a position on about 100-300 or so - but nothing.

Donna

7:37 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Could you do your check at [www2.sandbox.google.com...] and let me know if you find your website is ranking back as it used to be ?

tedster

7:44 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Are you watching your total traffic from Google? You probably have some pages that are ranking well on some longer search phrases - and that information can point you in some fruitful directions.

cangoou

7:52 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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@Donna: For "Widget" the site doesn't show up at caffein in the first 1000 results as well. As I said the site is new and wasn't ranking before.

@tedster: My total traffic from Google is about 120 hits per week - the "highest" keyword has 6 accesses per week. So there is some kind of long tail. The sites ranks for non-competetive long-terms like "widgets and more" (which appears in the title of the mainpage). But I have no idea what this could mean ;-) Okay, it could be an OOP for "widget", but using "widget" as anchor only 4 times out of 200 links - if I use less I would think why should it rank for "widget" at all ;-)

tedster

7:59 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Okay, it could be an OOP for "widget", but using "widget" as anchor only 4 times out of 200 links

How about internal anchor text? Going over the top there can definitely trigger ranking problems, too.

cangoou

8:09 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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30 internal links on main-page
- 1x "blue widget"
- 1x "widgets utilities" (plural)
- 1x "somewidgets" (plural)
- 1x "read hints for widgets" (plural)
no "widget" alone.

jd01

8:16 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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no "widget" alone.

Seems like it could be part of the problem to me... If you don't have a widget page, why would I want to visit your site to find my widget? (The only way I could think of is if your link text to your home page was widget site-wide.)

ADDED:
It almost sounds like you have an anchor text dilution problem... Think about what a search engine has to go by to determine who they should send your way.

There's a finite number of things they can use to determine relevance.

Three things I would look at carefully are:
1.) Inbound Link Text.
(What does it say about your site?)

2.) Internal Link Text.
(What does it say about the pages on your website?)

3.) Outbound Links and Link Text

Another way to rephrase my question above is:
As a search engine, how do I know to send visitors to your site for Widget when you don't have a single page on your site specifically about Widget? (Doesn't it seem like there would be at least 1000 better choices, even if they only have a single 'not very good' page about Widget? At least they have one.)

cangoou

7:07 am on Sep 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

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The main-page is about all things around "Widget".

Due to the "anchor text dilution problem": I only have 4 incoming links using exactly "widget", but there are some more anchors using "Here you can buy a widget", "blue widget", "nice widgets" and so on. The site wouldn't rank for the misspelling "widgét" if "widget" were used too thin I think.