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Should I allow 404s, or do 301s to home page?

         

maximus12

3:12 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I currently have a link exchange directory on my site and want to remove it to see if it helps lift a penalty I am under with Google (am cleaning everything up to file for reconsideration). Link exchanges are a thing of the past and I have read that google does not like them anymore. My question is if I remove all the links and pages (about 7 pages in total) will that be a positive or negative sign for google? And I have always wondered what google thinks of 404's? If it is bad to do? Or should their be some kind of 301 to the homepage?

Thanks

tedster

7:49 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Wherever you read that Google does "not like" link exchanges, I wouldn't agree with a blanket statement like that. Here's what Google has to say - and in my experience it is accurate:

Examples of link schemes can include:
  • Links intended to manipulate PageRank
  • Links to web spammers or bad neighborhoods on the web
  • Excessive reciprocal links or excessive link exchanging ("Link to me and I'll link to you.")

    [google.com...]

    404 status replies (or 410) are standard and expected for content that is no longer available. If you use a 301 redirect, it's best to redirect to a url that is a true replacement for the content that was removed - and a home page is not a replacement for a list of link partners.

    So it you feel your reciprocal linking has been excessive, I'd just remove those pages and let the status be 404. I doubt that many people are linking to your lists of link partners anyway.

    But more moderately, isn't there a core set of link partners who are of value for your visitors? It might be a good thing to retain some of those links.

  • BradleyT

    7:49 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    7 seperate pages of recip links?

    maximus12

    8:08 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    Tedster, thanks, just the answer I was looking for. What I plan to do is remove all the links and leave the most trusted valuable ones on one page that I think our users will benefit from. So in a few words google does not see 404s as a bad thing they just see it as the page does not exist anymore, so no negative points towards your site correct?

    Bradley, yes about 7 pages, each has about 6- 9 links on it. Use to do allot of link exchanging :(

    tedster

    8:40 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    Right - 404's of previously active urls are not a black mark against a website. They get reported to you in WebmasterTools as an FYI, since many times 404 server errors are a sign of a problem that you didn't intend.

    But since you will have a link page remaining, then you might at least consider a 301 from the six pages that you've removed that redirects to the one still existing page.

    g1smd

    9:02 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    Mass redirects to the root aren't usually a good idea.

    Redirect to page with similar topic/content is fine.

    maximus12

    9:16 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    Well I deleted all the extra link pages and saved about 9 links that I added to one page? Should I just 301 redirect to that one linkpage or let all those link pages I deleted stay 404?

    tedster

    9:33 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    I'd say check your server logs to see if the deleted pages were entry pages for any traffic. If so, then use a 301 redirect.

    maximus12

    9:45 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    Well yes I can see some of the pages have had 100 - 300 hits over the past year, not many but some

    tedster

    10:09 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    Not just hits, but ENTRY traffic with a referrer, would be my criteria. Otherwise, you may just be looking at traffic from your reciprocal linking partners, verifying that you still link back. Or maybe stupid bot hits, too.

    maximus12

    12:50 am on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    "ENTRY traffic with a referrer, would be my criteria" is exactly right, it is no real traffic just webmasters looking for their link or following a link listed there... So is it still recommendable to 301?

    steveb

    11:48 pm on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    If you had seven link pages, and now have one, redirect the other six to to the one. There is no logical reason not to do that.

    tangor

    2:18 am on May 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    steveb is right, nothing wrong with a redirect if you maintain such pages. I also don't see anything wrong with offering 404s. After all, things change. What you don't want to do is 301 a 404 to a page that has nothing to do with the original 404 page.

    maximus12

    3:19 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    True, I decided to leave them 404. Things change and I have not heard of google punishing for 404s

    tedster

    5:35 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    The only time I've heard of 404 responses causing trouble is if the site itself has many (and I mean MANY) broken links. If you've handled all internal backlinks, then external broken links - or Google spidering for urls that no longer exist - does not create a ranking problem.

    maximus12

    6:26 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    Well I do not know if you call about 10 -15 many. I deleted most of the link exchange pages and another 6 pages with a little duplicate content displaying that I was unaware of.

    tedster

    6:32 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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    "Many" is a relative term. 15 broken links on a 3-page site is "many". On a 1 million page site, it is not.

    But remember that I am talking about anchor tags on YOUR site that get a 404 response. You can find and fix that source code code -- either remove the anchor tag or correct its href attribute. Then you have no concerns at all.