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Since reconsideration requests have been ignored by Google and the improved sites sit in the -50 for a few months, I really need to move them to new domains since I don't want to waste the content on penalty domains.
What I plan is to request a removal of the old URLs in WMT, then wait until this removal has been completed. Once no URLs from the old -50 domains can be found in the index I will move the content/site to the new domains.
Has anyone experience with moving a penalty site to a new domain? I will test it and report back, the main problem I see Google probably could still have the old content saved after removal of the site and compare it withe the content on the new domain.
I have not had such a situation personally, but I have heard of a few who had good results. We'll look forward to your report.
> Has anyone experience with moving a penalty site to a new domain?
Not me. But do have experience with moving penalty sites back up (using same domain).
If the reason was:
bad content = modify to good
bad inbound links = change neighborhood (not domain)
Takes lots of Patience.
301 should not be taking penalty with you since it would be to easy to filter the competition...
Yah, so escaping filters would be easy instead. Why fight/rectify the problem when you can keep all the benefits but none of the downside?
I would think G, with their historical patent, would notice that a new domain containing identical pages at the end of a 301 was a moved domain, and would transfer the penalty.
301s generally take a while to settle down. I suspect a lot of checking goes on to see if its legitimate, black hat (manipulative but positive), or 'darkside' (malicious).
3 months sounds interesting
Not on the -50, but various auto filters get releases on time frames. I have observed, variously:
I have also observed that FOR A URL (thus not strictly comparable,) time frames appear to increase as transgressions mount.
As for the backlink-problem; I still find it hard to accept that google would penalize you for a factor that is largely out of your control. The idea of 'nuking' your competition by building a plethora of poor backlinks just sounds too easy. If link neighborhood presents a problem, then its more likely to be the outgoing links.
These sites were removed because of a large number of links from free counters and wp themes and other schemes. The penalty was because of incoming links. They thought there was no way you can get a penalty from backlinks.
The website is very old and ranks number one on most terms and top 3 on ones that are not number one. These keywords are $80 a click term in adwords.
One of the things I did to fix this companies penalty was create a program that used a list of all the people that had linked to them using the counters and wp themes and sent them all emails. It would search the site for an email address and if it could not find one it would use the whois one.
Potential causes for dropping -50 across the board?
You might want to look at your site with these in mind, as you might be unnecessarily wasting a domain if you did a 301, and you wouldn't be fixing the problems.
The transplanted pages on the new domains are unpenalized. Can't say for sure if they rank as high as they did on the old domains, but the do rank at the top for various search terms.
I am holding off doing 301 for other domains that have been hit to see if they will come back to life after 90 days, or fix and reinclusion requests. But if all else fails, the 301 redirect does work for now.
After moving the site to a new domain, the new domain tanked -50 after having 4k URLs in the index. So it did not work out at all. The new domain (site) just has two PR4 links pointing to it, no outbound links, quality content.
I guess big Google is broken, they like quality content to appear at position -50.
[edited by: SEOPTI at 5:21 pm (utc) on Feb. 24, 2009]
I don't like playing the devil's advocate, but from G's point of view there is some merit in not being too open about whats wrong.
This will prevent grey-hatters from pushing the envelope to the precise limits, since these are unknown.
I think it's unfair to consider anyone seeking information about a penalty a potential "grey hatter."
Putting out this type of penalty and then being unresponsive is just another example of Google catering to only a certain type of company these days.
Some companies get answers as to why. Others do not. Hmmmm. I wonder why that would be?
Seopti - When you moved your content, did you remove the outbound links? On the inbound links, those must have all gotten 301'd to the new domains, so could still be a problem, no?