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PR issue with the latest update

         

member22

11:00 pm on Jan 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hi everyone,

I noticed google just updated its page rank and I don't understand something about my page rank. The first time I indexed my website almost a year ago I had one link with a PR 2 and my website had a PR of 1 ( sounds normal to me )

Then over the last three month I create links on PR 5 and PR 4 websites ( I have 6 PR 5 and 8 PR 4 and 2 PR 0 (Ii don't contorl the PR 0 ) none of links the I created are robot.txt, all of them are valid and when google did the PR update I just went from 1 to 3 , I though I would get a least a four with all the links that I have ...

I don't understand why I only got a PR 3 , can anyone tell me why ?
is is because google goes step by step in it PR update ( next time maybe i will get a 4 or 5 ) or is it because my website in made out of web 2 with zero text other than the menu on the homepage !

Because I don't see what else I can do to get a higher page rank, i know someone who has one link on a PR 4 and just got a 3 like me who is working like crazy on getting lots of quality links on high PR websites

I am thinking my site is badely design and coded and has bugs because of all the web 2 on my site that google doesn't read well !

Can anyone tell me what they think !

By they way is it normal that some of my subpages on the same level get a PR 2 and some get n/a ? I though google distributed evenly the PR ?

Thanks,

tedster

11:32 pm on Jan 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



A couple factors come to mind:

1. PR is not a linear scale - it is approximately logarithmic (base 6). This means that a low PR3 is 6 times as strong as a low PR2.

2. Note that I delineated a "low" PR 3 above. In contrast to the Toolbar PR which has only eleven possible values, your real PR is calculated out to many decimal places. You may have a "very high PR3", which is just a smidgen less potent than a very low PR4.

3. The amount of PR that gets voted depends on the PR of the url where the link appears - not the PR of that site's Home Page. In addition, the total possible PR transfer or vote depends on how many links are on that page. More links means a smaller share of the total PR for each link target.

I am thinking my site is badely design and coded and has bugs because of all the web 2 on my site that google doesn't read well !

PR has to do with links, and links alone. No content specific or query-specific issues are involved in calculating PR. Other types of link juice, possibly, but not PageRank. So if people are linking to URLs oin your site that actually exist, that's all it takes - assuming that you have some basic navigation links to circulate the PageRank within your site, of course.

kevsta

11:51 pm on Jan 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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>>1. PR is not a linear scale - it is approximately logarithmic (base 6). This means that a low PR3 is 6 times as strong as a low PR2.

am curious where the base 6 comes from? I've always heard base 2, ie PR3 is double PR2 etc put forward as a most likely guess?

tedster

12:03 am on Jan 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Log 6 is an approximation, made from many calculations of real life Page Rank and backlinks. The calculation was done many years ago, and things certainly have shifted. But if you consider the number of pages on the web, and gather some data on roughly how many are at each PR level, you'll see that it must be more than a log 2 scale.

There are also many hidden factors in PR - including some kind of a helper boost that Google gives to sites that are clearly Mom & Pop efforts, so that they stand at least some chance of competing against sites with lots of resources.

You might also consider only how many PR10 websites are there compared to PR9 websites (or PR9 to PR8.) You immediately see a ratio that suggests something far above log 2.

member22

12:09 am on Jan 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I still don't understand why a friend a mine with one link of 4 manages to get a PR of 3 ( even though it might be a lower one than me ) whereas me with many PR 5 links as well as many PR 4 links I only get a PR of 3 !

Could it be due to the fact that i didn't create enought internal links ?

tedster

12:20 am on Jan 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



You'll have to do the research and the related math if it matters a lot to you. There are a lot of things to take into account, including some of the major factors I mentioned above.

Your observations remind me of a friend's dilemma a few years ago when his struggling technical site got a big fat in-content link from the PR8 home page of a web "superstar" (and this was before rel=nofollow was introduced.) My friend ended up with no increase in PR at all, and no improvement in rankings. But the link did bring in some excellent and well targeted direct clicks, and that traffic ended up being quite important to his professional standing.

I don't personally think toolbar PR is worth too much effort to analyze - what you want is targeted traffic, and that should be the focus. Or even something more important, such as conversions, sales or ad impressions depending on your business model. PR is just a tiny corner of what you need to address, and it's a challenge to measure since you only get to see updates 4 times a year or so.

kevsta

3:12 pm on Jan 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



thanks Tedster.