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11:07 am on Sep 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Hi, I have been looking at a competitors site which sits on a dedicated box, would this make much of a difference in rankings - he is above me btw?

I am thinking that it is a sign of a quality site, my site has 300 domains shared on the same box.

opinions please.

1:20 pm on Sept 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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No unless the server your are on is slow, down quite a bit of the time, has dns issues, or just lacks in the ability to properly serve up pages on your site as requested.

A dedicated server just gives the user more flexability in contorl over the what happens on the server in question as being on a shared server another site could be hacked that can cause your site issues as well.

I am on a dedicated server and won't it at all possible ever go back to a shared hosting account. I just like the freedom of doing things on a dedicated server I can't do on a share server.

Your question has no correct answer as it can really go both ways. Going dedicated is based on site performance and what you need to do.

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No unless the server your are on is slow, down quite a bit of the time, has dns issues, or just lacks in the ability to properly serve up pages on your site as requested.

Or a lot of other spammy sites are hosted on the same machine.

Another thing to consider is that even though you may not have any problems with any of the other sites hosted TODAY, you have absolutely no control over the sites that may be hosted in the future. Even if the sites themselves are not spammy, all it takes is one careless hoster to gets his FTP password hacked and somethign gets uploaded to bring down the whole server (including your seites).

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The big thing to note is a dedicated server is much more expensive. If you can afford it, then it won't hurt to have one.
5:06 pm on Sept 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I don't think dedicated servers are that expensive anymore. I pay like $100 a month or so for mine, and I'm sure something like a virtual dedicated server and a bit of shopping would bring the price way down below that.

$100 for the primary infrastructure cost for a business is a hoot. My phone bill is bigger than that.

Of course, the big difference is that dedicated servers are generally unmanaged, so it's up to you to look after software installation, upgrades, and security. And that can be a real pita.

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The sites I saw that were on the same server as my sites were on were spammy, that is what made me think I should move. I am thinking that it is a sign of quality.

I need a MS server and these are much more than Linux boxes.

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I am aware that some spammy sites can be hosted all on the same machine, thus there are a lot of people talking about having various class-C IPs to help out in ranking higher. But I have worked with various Interactive agencies where all their clients were hosted in 1 machine. In 1 company I worked for in the past has good ranking clients and their machine(s) were all in-house and they had leased lines. There were more than 5000+ websites hosted in the same facility. Probably split up in 2 or 3 servers only. So based on my experience, it is not a big issue to me.

But have also heard horror stories of a whole IP getting banned in Google thus banning all sites under the same IP. So I guess it really depends what you put on your servers.

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I haven't read any banned IP address horror stories in a long time. The only real problems for ranking that I know of these days are those listed by bwnbwn in the first reply. If the server is properly configured and does its job, a shared IP is not a problem.

Very low cost hosting plans are often poorly administered - vulnerable to hacks, parasite hosting, malware injections and so on. Those will obviously hurt your rankings, but the IP address itself is not the cause - sloppy server admin is.

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... buy an unique IP for your site? Most hosting companis offer this service.
Then you'll just have to worry for hardware problems and not about association with them damn blackhats (like me) ;)
2:21 am on Sept 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Hi, I have been looking at a competitors site which sits on a dedicated box, would this make much of a difference in rankings - he is above me btw?

How do you know she/he has a dedicated server? In fact, how would Google know if the server was dedicated?

As 5ubliminal points out, if you're sitting behind a unique IP address, that's about all a search engine can see.

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BillyS ever looked up a domain using domain tools? It will tell ya if it is dedicated or not. Not that hard to find out.
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I don't think dedicated servers are that expensive anymore.

$100/month is a lot of money for some people, especially when you're used to paying $100/year. But I agree, they are more affordable now than they used to be.

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I have one domain which assigned a unique IP. Check it using #*$!, it's reported as dedicated server, in fact it is hosting in shared host along with other 1500 domains.
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BillyS ever looked up a domain using domain tools?

They say it's dedicated, but what they really want to say it that it has its own IP, nothing else, the domain can be hosted in a shared served.